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| Posted by: oddone 02:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: this is not remotely relevant. - ryhog 11:50 am EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| It sounds like we agree for the most part then. My point about relevance was that Scaglione is an Argentine, so it makes sense to think about Argentine conceptions of difference when talking about her, since presumably they inform how she thinks about herself. Which are not the same as how those in the U.S. see her. But those foreign conceptions of difference seem relevant in a way that they don't (as much) for LMM, who is from the U.S. And I'm not at all trying to argue for or against her "suitability" in being cast in West Side Story. It's just that I think there are severe limitations that come from looking at casting through such a narrow lens like race, limitations that become clear every time the casting of a show like West Side Story comes up. And to my mind, opening up the discussion to think about race outside of the U.S. can be a way to get at how race is very much a cultural construction, something that often gets overlooked. I also find a lot of discussions around race in the U.S. to be very U.S.-centric (ok, not surprising) even when the subject is non-U.S. (which is a bit more frustrating). And part of this is because people in the U.S. tend to not be very aware of other cultures/countries in a way that you don't see elsewhere in the world. One example- the conversation elsewhere on this board about how "America" isn't perhaps the same as "United States." This point was made by someone who didn't seem to understand the idea of "white privilege," so perhaps his other points were then dismissed by some. But it's a fair and important distinction that people elsewhere in the Americas understand, but which most folks in the U.S. have trouble even acknowledging. As is shown in that discussion, in which a poster suggests that because "America" is used a lot by U.S. citizens to refer to their country, that this therefore legitimizes the usage, and anyway, there isn't really any "connotation" or "meaning" to that label anyway. Said person is clear about what "white privilege" means, but clueless about how it might be problematic to equate "America" with "U.S." And yes- my experience (and my Argentine husband verifies this) is that Argentines definitely use the term "white" to describe themselves. For an interesting discussion of race and the idea of "white" in South America, check out the Rough Translation podcast, linked below. |
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| Link | Rough Translation - Brazil in Black and White |
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