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| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: Bernadette's Last Dolly - jjhbb340 07:16 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Did the full audience leap to their feet to applaud a minimum of SIX TIMES during the show? Or was it just 10 people who were a little over the top? And even for those 10 people, SIX TIMES? I'd be pissed if I was at that performance with that kind of interruption. Two standing ovations, sure, but 7 or 8? That said, I saw it with Bette and Bernadette and loved Bernadette too. | |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: NightMusic77 10:08 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| No, far from hyperbole. I've seen this production over 10 times and yesterday was far and away the most explosive visit. Bernadette was visibly moved countless times throughout the show and yes the audience lept to its feet en masse several times. Yes, there's a lot of "best ever" hyperbole on this board. Bernadette Peters' closing performance doesn't fall into that category. I'm so glad I came. |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: jjhbb340 10:55 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - NightMusic77 10:08 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| So glad you loved it too. When I first posted this last night I just wanted to say what a wonderful time it had been,never thought I was starting World War 3! She WAS wonderful and you just felt the whole cast knew it was a very special performance-everybody was at the top of their form! Rarely have I been so moved in the theater; you could just feel the love pouring from the stage. I'm so happy that other posters saw it and felt the same way. Guess you just had to be there,and as you said I'm certainly so glad I came! | |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: winters 11:47 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 10:55 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| Indeed it was a special afternoon. I don't understand why some people need to go and on about too many ovations...exactly.how many people stood....how many people stood willingly..... Ladies and gents......that was the magic of live theater. The energy.....the love.....yeah....the love For those irritated by mid-performance standing ovations (I can mostly count myself among them).....it is not advisable going to the final performance in a role of a beloved diva....especially one that fits so beautifully. In addition. My second time seeing Charlie Stemp in the role. He most definitely brought it up a notch. I believe that had he been an original cast member that he would have found himself a Tony nominee for best featured. |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:09 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - winters 11:47 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| Last performances can be quite wonderful. That's why I've gone to so many of them, including what was supposed to have been Peters's last in Sunday in the Park With George. All I'm saying is that maybe it's time for us to consciously take it down a notch or two so that instead of jumping up multiple times during a performance and then even standing for an entire number, we could applaud loud and long. That sufficed for decades if not hundreds of years. I feel pretty certain that Peters felt lots of love from the audience at that performance of Sunday in the Park With George. I know that Mandy Patinkin felt lots of love from the audience at the last performance of Sunday in the Park With George because he made a long curtain-call speech during which he teared up and told the audience that if any of us passed any of the cast on the street at any time in the future, we should go up to the cast member and say that we were there that afternoon. |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Last Edit: mikem 10:05 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| Posted by: mikem 10:03 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Bernadette has some very fervent fans, especially for a final performance. I was at the last performance of her Gypsy and the OVERTURE got a standing ovation. (That being said, I think there were only four standing ovations in total: the overture, Some People, Rose's Turn, and the curtain call.) |
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| Apparently it was drug induced | |
| Posted by: Ann 08:40 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 08:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| This whole mid-show standing ovation thing is just getting worse and worse. I find it all too sadly easy to believe that it happened pretty much as the OP said. I think these mid-show standing ovations are a very unfortunate trend and extremely inconsiderate to those who either don't want to stand or have mobility problems. Let the people behind you see the stage. Do people not realize that they are blocking the stage when they jump up mid-show and force people behind them who want to see what's happening on stage to stand? People complain here so much about latecomers, but what about these stupid standing ovations? Sorry. Rant over. |
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| re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. - AlanScott 08:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| "This whole mid-show standing ovation thing is just getting worse and worse." I completely agree. One of the worst things to happen to Broadway theatre in recent years. And this is a general statement on my part, not specifically related to anything that may have happened during Bernadette Peters' final performance in HELLO, DOLLY!, which I did not attend. |
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| re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 11:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:41 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. - Michael_Portantiere 11:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Exactly. Let's enjoy the show and maybe stand afterwards. If the person is special, a standing O after the title number maybe. But up and down all night to make yourself feel good about being there? It rings false. No matter how excited people say they were. Bernadette is an awesome singer/actress. Dolly is a good musical. The production is top notch. Why can't it just be 'great' and not 'THE MOST LEGENDARY MOMENT IN MUSICAL THEATER'? If the latter were true, then great, 7 standing ovations and let's keep our ticket stubs and brag to everyone that we were there, but like Alan Scott says, this is something that happens often. In other words, it's not special. It's irritating. | |
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| re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:04 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. - KingSpeed 11:41 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| If you read the comments from those present, it seems clear to me that they were attending an event, and not the theatre. What was memorable was what the audience did, at least as much as what the performers did. To me this is an extension of the standing ovation at the end, which I (and I am not alone) would argue is also about the audience and not the performers. I think this is where we are now. I don't think the genie is going back in the bottle. | |
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| Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 01:33 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:29 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I'm sorry to say that it's probably not hyperbole. - KingSpeed 11:41 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| And I'll add that I don't want to suggest that it wasn't wonderful to be there today and that the performance wasn't spectacular. But I've been at a bunch of pretty great closing performances at which nothing like that happened. I mention some of those below. I'm wondering if anyone thinks that this final Peters Hello, Dolly! was probably so much greater a performance or event than any of the ones I mention below. Some might reply, "Hello, Dolly! is a show that invites such responses." Even if I buy that, six mid-show standing ovations still seem a bit much. But it's not just shows like Hello, Dolly! I remember it being reported here that at the final performance of the Roundabout Sunday in the Park With George, not only did the audience stand for "Move On," they then remained standing through the end of the show. As I said elsewhere, I find this sort of thing really disrespectful to other audience members who may not want to or even be easily able to stand. You're blocking people's view of the stage, forcing them to stand. And if the person in front of you is tall and you're not, you may not be able to see much even if you stand. As far as I'm concerned, folks who do this kind of thing have no right to complain about latecomers disrupting performances and forcing you to stand. Yes, it's somewhat different, and, yes, you're usually not alone when you stand to applaud a song, but still you're blocking people's view and forcing them to stand. When I saw Something Rotten! during previews, a fair number of people stood for that silly number. It makes me think of Pavlov's dogs. It was also reported here recently that there were several standing ovations at the first performance of Songs for a New World at City Center so it's not even always a final performance or big-star kind of thing. It's that for some people in some circumstances applause and even extended applause is no longer considered enough. I don't believe that people get so excited that they absolutely can't help it, they HAVE to stand. It's not possible for them to remain seated. I do believe that some of them stand because they have to if they want to see the performers. Does anyone want to offer some justification for this kind of behavior? To be specific about the shows I mentioned in the first paragraph, I was at the final Cariou-Lansbury Sweeney (still one of the two greatest performances I've ever seen of anything) and the closing performances of the original productions of Pacific Overtures (no standing ovation even at the end), On the Twentieth Century, Merrily We Roll Along, Sunday in the Park With George, Into the Woods and Passion. I was at what was supposed to have been Tyne Daly's final performance of Gypsy (no one knew she'd come back in a return engagement, which happened just because the London run was canceled due to the Gulf War) and what was supposed to have been Bernadette Peters's final performance in Sunday in the Park With George (she came back unannounced for the Pulitzer committee nine days later and then, if we count this, for the performances that were shot with invited audiences but for which tickets were not on sale to the general public). I was at the final Broadway performance of Dewhurst and Robards in A Moon for the Misbegotten and a lot of other final performances, but i'm just trying to mention those that people will realize were exciting performances to attend. I was at the final performance of the original production of Parade, at which an unusual reaction did happen at the end of a number: "Come Up to My Office" stopped the show despite it having been staged to discourage any applause at all. But the audience wasn't having it that way at that performance, and the actors had to stand there for a longish amount of applause at a place where they usually just proceeded directly back into dialogue. Of course, many numbers stopped the show in a big way at some of the performances, and performers had to stand there or find something to do. I remember Kay McClelland having to pace back and forth for a long time after "Moments in the Woods" at the final Into the Woods performance. And sometimes there was extended entrance applause that caused performers to have stand there and find something to do when they just usually continued on. At one final performance, I think an actress was so startled and unsettled by receiving about a minute of entrance applause that it threw her off for the whole performance (or so it seemed to me as I thought this actress seemed very off in comparison with the earlier times I'd seen her). But extended applause is one thing. Again, there was not a mid-show standing ovation at any of the final performances I've mentioned attending. Not one. And as I said, there was not a standing ovation even at the end of Pacific Overtures. And at the final Saturday matinee of Channing's last Broadway run of Hello, Dolly! there were no standing ovations during the show visible to me from my seat in the fourth row of the Lunt-Fontanne balcony. The audience went wild, but did not stand even for the title number, at least not upstairs. At the end, we all stood, but not during the show. (Actually, I am starting to wonder if perhaps a few isolated pockets of people did stand for the title number and I've forgotten, but if so, not many.) At classical concerts, it's generally considered incorrect and even impolite to applaud between movements of a symphony or concerto or sonata. This was not always true, it's a relatively modern development and perhaps a foolish one. Anyway, classical concerts can be pretty darn exciting, but generally you don't even applaud till the end of a piece (which perhaps partly explains why that sometimes goes on for very long times). I don't particularly wonder about the "why" of this. I think we generally know why. I just wonder if anyone thinks this is a good thing and, if so, the why of that. Soon we're going to be standing for entire shows, which I guess is very Elizabethan, but we'll be standing for different reasons. |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: david_withv 10:09 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - AlanScott 01:29 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| I think any time an audience is excited and engaged it’s a good thing. As new trends emerge, whether it’s a “mandatory” standing ovation at the end of a show or a series of mid show standing ovations, I think it’s likely that it’s a newer younger audience who is perpetuating these new trends. There is a lot of media competing for attention and if a younger audience is choosing to come to the theater I’d rather them be over enthusiastic and engaged than playing on their phones and drinking a big gulp. | |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:54 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - david_withv 10:09 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| and if a younger audience is choosing to come to the theater I’d rather them be over enthusiastic and engaged than playing on their phones and drinking a big gulp. Maybe, maybe not. Remember the live filming of Legally Blonde with the girls in the audience all squealing as if we were back at an Elvis concert? I feel bad for the people in the audience who actually wanted to see the show. And don't tell me that was all choreographed for the camera either. |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 04:53 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:53 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - david_withv 10:09 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| I suppose if that's the choice . . . maybe it's better to stay home. Do we think that so much of the audience at this final Peters performance of Hello, Dolly! was a newer and younger audience? Thank you for answering. |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: david_withv 11:44 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - AlanScott 04:53 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| I’m sure a large number of them were younger people who grew up watching her on their Into The Woods and Sunday in the Park With George dvds. | |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 08:43 am EDT 07/17/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - david_withv 11:44 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| You were there, and I wasn't, and if you say there was a large number of younger people, I certainly can't doubt you. You were there, and I wasn't. Of course, younger could mean 40-45 in this context. :) But I have a good many younger friends — younger than 40-45 — who are avid theatregoers. So I can believe you with no problem. So even if I accept this as likely being the wave of the future (and certainly the wave of the present), I'd still like to believe that things can change, that the future is not already written in stone. But, again, my annoyance at this behavior for being excessive is not the main point. The main point is that this behavior seems to me remarkably thoughtless and inconsiderate. People of limited mobility do go to the theatre. Nowadays Broadway houses try to accommodate them in a fairer way than was perhaps the norm in the past, something I'm sure we all think is good. Even if we decide that people who don't have mobility problems but also don't really want to keep standing up and down and to stand through a whole number have their choice — stand up or don't see it — what about people of limited mobility? Do we just say to them, "Too bad. If you can't stand up on your own, why did you come to this performance? Stay home." I don't know how many times I've read here people saying with great indignation that latecomers should not be seated till after intermission or, if there's no intermission, not at all. The latecomers are disrupting the right of people who got there on time to see the performance uninterrupted. And, of course, those people are speaking of their own right. "I got there on time. I have the right to see the performance uninterrupted." I would hope that people who feel that way would also feel that this applies to them, and that they shouldn't disrupt the right of others to see the performance. And, again, what about a shorter person who is seated behind a much taller person? We all know this can be a problem even when everyone is seated. How much more of a problem might this be when the person in front is standing? What if there are two or three tall people next to each other in front of a shorter person? The shorter person will probably not be able to look around them or through them. At least with latecomers, the disruption is usually relatively brief. With the entire title song of Hello, Dolly! it's not brief. And the number is, for many, the highlight of the show. So in our theoretically enlightened age, at least as New York theatregoers, we should be more considerate. |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: EveryLittleChore 03:21 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - AlanScott 01:29 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| My small piece of "real news" to add here is that in 1972, at the final performance of Follies, "Who's That Woman?" received a raucous standing ovation. The theatre was filled with die-hard fans, all of whom probably knew they would leap to their feet. It was like no other audience experience I ever had. | |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:32 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - EveryLittleChore 03:21 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| And I so wanted to be at that performance, but my parents would not let go to Manhattan by myself in the evening at the age of 14. As I think you are implicitly acknowledging, a mid-show standing ovation was a rare event indeed in 1972. In fact, there was no standing ovation at all either time I saw the show, except from me. I tried to start one but to no avail. :) I should add that I'm not saying that mid-show standing ovations had absolutely never happened before in the entire history of Broadway. I think perhaps there was one at the end of the title number at the closing performance of the original run of Hello, Dolly! I should check with folks who were there. But they were certainly extraordinarily rare. I think the 1970s was the decade when standing ovations during curtain calls started to become a bit more common but were still really quite rare. |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: huskyital (huskyital@yahoo.com) 07:24 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - AlanScott 06:32 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| I saw Carol Channing play it at a matinee at the beginning of the run. There were no standing ovations during the show but she took 14 curtain calls.....the applause would not end......I counted them.....and she deserved it.....still the most memorable Dolly in my humble opinion. | |
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| re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:38 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Serious question for those who like mid-show standing ovations (long) - huskyital 07:24 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| And, yeah, that's what used to happen when audiences really wanted to show appreciation: sustained applause, sometimes even cheers, but not standing ovations (or very rarely). And I suppose that in addition to the reasons I stated above, one problem with so many standing ovations — and I know I'm not the first to say this — is that they became virtually meaningless. Which I guess is why mid-show standing ovations are becoming more common. Truly, where will it end? There are far worse problems in the world, but | |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: jjhbb340 07:33 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 07:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| The WHOLE orchestra audience stood for her entrance,twice during Parade,all during the title number, So Long Dearie and of course the curtain call-this is no hype or fake news-ask anyone who was there today. | |
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| re: hyperbole? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:04 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 07:33 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I count 5. You said at least 6. | |
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| Last Edit: Chromolume 07:47 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 07:33 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| So - you were sitting somewhere where you could really see the WHOLE orchestra section in a quick glance? Each time? What's always fascinating to me about accounts of standing O's is that people tend to say idiotic things like "the whole audience leapt to their feet." But it's a very rare time indeed when such a thing is, or even can be, literally observed. Most people's eyes are focused on the stage, not in panning the "whole audience." (Who cares what the audience is doing - you want to see the star lol.) Plus, in order to see an entire audience "leap to their feet" (a fast, sudden gesture), you kinda have to know it's going to happen before it does in order to be able to watch for it. What you can and do notice is that the people around you and in front of you are standing. If you're not in the back row, even if you looked behind you, you would not be able to see if everyone was really standing ot not. And by the 6th time, you certainly wouldn't care. I won't go as far as to say it's fake news, but it is hyperbolic exaggeration to the nth degree. As Sondheim tries to show us in "Someone In A Tree," you may have been part of the event, but you couldn't possibly observe all of it. ;-) :-) |
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| Wow! TOUGH CROWD! | |
| Posted by: Genealley 08:32 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Chromie don't go there! | |
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| Oh, Lord; audiences love this show and all the Dollys. In this rotten year, why cavil? | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:10 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I saw it again last week. No standing until the end, but yeah, the leaping to the feet thing was decidedly the house response. It wasn't gradual, it was quick, and the whole place. (I had TDF seats at the Tuesday matinee; last row center of the orchestra.) Both times I saw this show, August with Midler, July 3 with Peters, the audience enjoyed something akin to a collective experience. it generates joy inside the Shubert. I don't care where the standing begins, or if 57 people sit it out, or if half the mezz sits on their hands. This production is infectious, its stars inspire strong responses, and we're the better for it. |
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| re: Oh, Lord; audiences love this show and all the Dollys. In this rotten year, why cavil? | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 09:29 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: Oh, Lord; audiences love this show and all the Dollys. In this rotten year, why cavil? - Delvino 08:10 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| The second time I saw Midler in Dolly I was sitting in the first row front mezzanine. I know at one point when the audience stood for a number in the first act-the woman next to me got angry at me for not standing when the rest of the audience did. I personally didn't want to stand because I was sitting in a seat where no one was blocking my view. She was completely annoying next to me, jumping up and down every time she liked Midler's shtick. I was so thankful when the woman next to me sat somewhere else in the second act. I have had a great time at the several times I've attended Dolly, but it is more fun when the audience only stands at the end when the principal actors take their bows. |
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| Are you at all serious? | |
| Posted by: frankm 07:59 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Have you never been in a situation where all those "people around you and in front of you" are up on their feet cheering (or booing, or doing anything as a group/mob) and you look around yourself to see and feel the wave of humanity being swept away...together? And seriously, if I saw everyone around me doing the same thing why would I not think that people I can't see are doing the same thing? Should I assume that something has happened that only the people in my eyesight have effected by? Come on, get over your self and stop being so obtuse. | |
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| re: Are you at all serious? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: Are you at all serious? - frankm 07:59 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Are questioning or dissenting opinions out here THAT toxic to you? I'm sorry for that. Please don't tell me to get over myself. I'm just expressing an opinion, just as the original poster did. We're just on extreme opposite sides - and I'm sorry for that. But I do think my opinion is as valid. Why can't it be? | |
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| No. Sorry. Not all opinions are valid. nm | |
| Posted by: frankm 07:50 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Are you at all serious? - Chromolume 08:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| re: No. Sorry. Not all opinions are valid. nm | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:54 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: No. Sorry. Not all opinions are valid. nm - frankm 07:50 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| I guess, then, the president has done what he set out to do. :-( | |
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| You would be proof of that. nm | |
| Posted by: frankm 09:10 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: No. Sorry. Not all opinions are valid. nm - Chromolume 08:54 am EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| re: Are you at all serious? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:25 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Are you at all serious? - Chromolume 08:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Your opinion is very valid, C | |
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| Posted by: gcarl44 07:56 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Why do you and KingSpeed care so much whether this was hyperbole or not. What does it really matter? Is it really necessary to stick a pin the bubble of joy that this theatergoer experienced in seeing the last Peters' Dolly just so you can feel superior? He or she was expressing a feeling, an emotional connection with the piece and the audience. If it felt like he was surrounded by a cheering, standing audience, does it really matter than maybe a few were not standing? I truly do not understand people like you, who find it necessary to criticize a post for no apparent reason, other than to put someone down. | |
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| Last Edit: Chromolume 08:13 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:06 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - gcarl44 07:56 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| He or she was expressing a feeling, an emotional connection with the piece and the audience. I got that. And believe it or not, I appreciate that. It's just that hyperbole is hyperbole. We currently live in a regime based entirely on hyperbole and deliberate misleading exaggeration. Do we need it here too? I'm sure today's Dolly was wonderful and memorable and special. It was also Bernadette's last day. We tend to get automatically hyped up and nostalgic about moments like these. Because it was the closing performance of her run. Not because the performance itself was millions of times better than usual. If anything, it has a lot to do with the audience congratulating themselves on being at a very special occasion. That's human nature, and I get it, and yes, it's very fun and exciting to be part of that kind of moment. But THAT'S why people stood 6 times - it was the occasion, not necessarily the performance. I'd much rather hear about how the actual performance went. That's all. |
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| All of that. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:22 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:06 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Thank you, Chromolume | |
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| Posted by: gcarl44 08:43 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:06 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I appreciate and understand what you are saying, however, IMHO and my my eyes, your response to the original poster was a bit snarky. | |
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| Posted by: jjhbb340 08:51 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - gcarl44 08:43 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Thanks again-someone just posted the final curtain call on you tube-everyone can see the fervor of the audience now. Wish I had gotten affidavits from David Hyde Pierce,Santo Loquasto,Carol Kane and Harvey Evans who were also in orchestra saying how many standing ovations were done all afternoon-REALLY hate being compared to our president and his fake news by some posters!! | |
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| Posted by: seenenuf 08:31 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:06 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| You come off very poorly with this post. | |
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| Posted by: jjhbb340 07:53 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 07:44 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Row k-seat 21-each standing ovation was prolonged,so of course you could and would look around you-NOT a quick glance! Sorry you think we were all idiotic and sorry you never experienced such ecstasy in the theater! | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:13 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 07:53 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| You said at least 6. Then 5. Now you're sorry I've never seen people go mad over a star on her last performance. I saw Bernadette in the show. Thought she was great. And I've experienced "such ecstasy" in the theater more than a few times and it doesn't require standing six times to convince yourself that it is happening. | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 08:02 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 07:53 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| and sorry you never experienced such ecstasy in the theater! I'm a musical director and pit musician in regional theatre. I experience such ecstasy very often, as I'm always thrilled to have a place to share and create my art and to collaborate with other wonderful performers. Yes, I get tired as much as any performer does, but it is always a joy and a privilege to get to perform. That's my form of ecstacy, and it happens all the time. I didn't call anyone idiotic. (You did.) ;-) I'm glad you enjoyed the show. And your unobstructed view of row AA in the back of the orchestra. ;-) |
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| Posted by: seenenuf 08:33 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:02 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Snark from a regional theatre musical director. Oh my. Little People. |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 08:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:02 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| It was an event. Since neither of us were there we can't have an accurate count of how many stood, how many sat, how many hovered. I was at Bette's (supposed to be) final performance and everyone within eyesight stood. One is obliged to stand even if one doesn't feel the urge because if you are seated you will be watching someone's backside while Hello Dolly is being sung. And I don't think it's hyperbole to say that was the grumpiest post of the day. Even with the ;-) | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 08:18 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Billhaven 08:15 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| and everyone within eyesight stood. If the OP had said that instead, there might not have been any questions. ;-) And I don't think it's hyperbole to say that was the grumpiest post of the day. Having not read every post today, I can't agree or disagree. But we live in a very grumpy time, I suppose. My apologies if I get caught in that. Anyone who knows me out here knows I can be sharp but I rarely try to be grumpy. Maybe tomorrow will be better. |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 08:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Chromolume 08:18 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I'm constantly trying not to be "Grumpy Old Man" (at least not Walter Matthau grumpy). Anyway, quite a few people stood today at Carmen Jones, even me. It was for a fine performance. But, Jeez, those clunky lyrics! |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 08:37 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Billhaven 08:26 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I agree. Not Hammerstein's best - but kind of "guilty pleasure" writing in a way. Thank you for changing the subject, sorta, |
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| Posted by: gcarl44 08:01 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 07:53 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| I am so with you, and as I said in my last post to Chromolume, I don't understand why these people feel the need to put others down. While I did not see Peters' last performance, I too have experienced ecstacy at Dolly. | |
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| Posted by: jjhbb340 08:10 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - gcarl44 08:01 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| Thanks so much! So much negativity on this board this evening! I was surprised cause I had never seen a standing ovation DURING a show except for Lllias White's Oldest Profession in The Life years ago.Oddly enough this was led by the original Dolly Carol Channing who was sitting 2 rows ahead of me. Hope more of today's audience respond-there were 1460 people there and we were were all in heaven. Thanks again for your kind support! | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:17 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - jjhbb340 08:10 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| The Life? Jesus Christ. Fun show. Fun song. But standing O? I guess people were overexcited because she had won the Tony. She's a good singer and all but people are working too hard to convince themselves that they are at a legendary performance if they are standing for that. How do you know all 1460 were in heaven? I'd bet thousands that there were people who were pissed that they had to stand because people in front of them did the same. | |
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| Posted by: Thom915 12:05 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 11:17 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| This is beginning to get really mean to a poster who made an innocent comment to express his enjoyment of an incredible show and a wonderful performance by a talented actress finishing her run in that show. It also is now mocking other people who have seen shows at which standing ovations stand out in their mind. Since there is no way to know what is going on in people's minds one cannot possibly know what is going on in their minds. One makes assumptions. I don't know if it the current administration and the relentless news commentary on it or the long near heat wave of July but this seems like a particularly contentious thread over an innocent and expressive posting. I suggest we all move on. | |
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| Posted by: jjhbb340 12:22 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - Thom915 12:05 pm EDT 07/16/18 | |
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| Thanks for being so considerate and understanding! Never knew there were so many cyber bullies on this site! Glad to know there are others like you who enjoy theater and could see what I meant from the original posting-it really means a lot. Thanks again! | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 11:50 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
| In reply to: re: hyperbole? - KingSpeed 11:17 pm EDT 07/15/18 | |
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| How do you know all 1460 were in heaven? Weren't they at the Shubert? ;-) Billy Bigelow commits suicide, finds himself at the Shubert. Two usherly friends are there to help guide him back one block away to the Imperial, on the condition that he doesn't hit anyone on the way. Something like that. ;-) |
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