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| Roz's Turn vs Bette's Turn | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:37 pm EDT 08/28/18 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:31 pm EDT 08/28/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Why did Arthur Laurents hate the 1962 film of Gypsy? - bicoastal 01:48 pm EDT 08/28/18 | |
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| I rewatched today, and I just think Roz's acting was just better than Bette's - though both were good. Roz I don't believe actually had what it takes, and I don't fully believe that she's blowing the cork and letting it out.... I do with Bette, but almost too much, and Bette is so big in her acting choices here where as Roz is much more grounded. However I think Roz is much better in the beginning of the song, and Bette is much better in the second part when she starts doing the fantasy striptease section and the mental breakdown. They let her take her time with the beats of it, whereas Roz just plows through it... but then Bette becomes too much again when she does this "i'm almost gonna faint I'm so overwhelmed" stuff. Generally I like the way it was staged and shot better with Roz than Bette. For example, with bette when the stage lights first come on as the delusion starts, they don't pull out or cut to a wide shot of her on stage or of the lights going on, they stay on her and we just see the new stage lights weirdly reflected off the back wall (made of tile for some reason). So there's so establishing that things in the theater are different. That's KEY to this scene. And some of the hand choreography they have Bette doing is so staged, it's like she rehearsed this number, and it should never look like that. Worst of all is at the moment when she sings "where would you be, miss Gypsy Rose Lee!!" and they have her doing this stagey hand movements like she's framing or presenting the thought to an audience rather than lost in her own anger and conflict. Also the Bette one is shot almost entire in 1-shots of her, very few wide shots to give you a sense of her alone on a stage with an empty house in front of her. I think the way they staged/shot the Roz scene gives you a much better sense of where she is and what's going on. But even then there's little things - like I like that Roz went to the side curtain for "You like it?" but they didn't have the off-stage men's voices shout back "yeah!" - they do that for Bette, but she doesn't go sex-it-up (or whatever) at the side curtain. So... i like bits of both and I think some bits are missing. |
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| re: Roz's Turn vs Bette's Turn | |
| Posted by: sf 09:39 am EDT 08/31/18 | |
| In reply to: Roz's Turn vs Bette's Turn - Chazwaza 03:31 pm EDT 08/28/18 | |
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| "I do with Bette, but almost too much, and Bette is so big in her acting choices here" The Midler film had a limited theatrical release in the UK. It works much better on a big screen - which is a problem, given that it was made for television. |
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| re: Roz's Turn vs Bette's Turn | |
| Posted by: JohnDunlop 08:57 pm EDT 08/31/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Roz's Turn vs Bette's Turn - sf 09:39 am EDT 08/31/18 | |
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| Around the time of Bette's "Gypsy," she was part of a charity tribute in New York to Merman with Stritch and several other singers. Midler was not awful, but Stritch was much better. Yes, I am aware that Stritch knew Merman, but it was still a surprise. | |
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