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| Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Hip hop and Cliff is Canadian, not from PA... I'm assuming they got permission to make these changes, but why not just let the piece speak for itself? |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:42 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| I am always amused by the umbrage expressed here by those who are seemingly afraid to let someone-anyone-try a fresh perspective. Truth is, most of these things don't work, and I doubt this one will endure, but look at it this way: a faithful rendition by this group would have gotten zero attention. What's the harm? What is it that folks fear so much? To quote one of my early mentors: "do SOMEthing, even if it's wrong." | |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 03:41 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - ryhog 02:42 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| I don't think that's true. Look at the Roundabout revival of Cabaret. It was a fresh perspective that didn't distort the original. It had a longer run than the original and was generally very very well liked. No umbrage there. This version is going to require significant text changes, but I assume the authors are all on board. I applaud take chances with material and looking at it in new ways, but IMO, this is a fundamental change to the existing material. |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:16 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 03:41 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| I don't disagree with anything you've said here. Where we part company is that I don't think fundamental change (all parties willing) needs to be avoided. There were, of course, those who despised what the Roundabout production did. Non-performing artists make fundamental changes to existing work frequently. As long as they don't deface the originals in the process, this is generally celebrated. I think the same applies here. I seriously doubt that this production is going to supplant the original. Interestingly, the Roundabout production has had a pretty significant effect on subsequent productions. |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:45 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - ryhog 05:16 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| I seriously doubt that this production is going to supplant the original. I had vowed to stay out of this thread mainly because I know someone involved with the production and wasn't going to make comments without him knowing beforehand,,,but I actually was talking to him about this earlier tonight. I'm not going to make any judgement calls on the production, especially because it's only still in the planning stages and we really have nothing concrete to point to yet, aside from the blurb that was made public. The question of permissions is valid, of course, and I'm sure that's being taken care of. But, folks - there's no "supplanting the original" here. This is a college production - at a high-profile school, yes, but it's a mere 5-performance run of a show. As far as anyone knows, that's all it is - it's not some newfangled John Doyle thing that runs for months in NYC, it's not a pre-Broadway tryout - it's just a product of a conservatory training program where the students are getting all sorts of approaches to production in their training. Many of us don't love such "konzept" productions - but I think everyone's getting a little hysterical about this. I'm sure it will be quality work, as the Conservatory's productions so often are. But folks, it's a 5-performance run. The Times isn't reviewing it, it's not touring, and very few people, in the grand perspective, will be seeing it. (It's a 325-seat theatre, and in my experience, the shows do sell out pretty well.) Maybe it will be good. Maybe it won't. But it's not going to change the way anyone else does Cabaret, I'm sure. So, who cares? So what? ;-) |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:23 am EDT 08/30/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - Chromolume 10:45 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| "I think everyone's getting a little hysterical" It's late August, it's 110 in the shade, there is a heat advisory, we are worn out talking about the crap that has opened on Broadway this summer. I think we can be forgiven for getting a little hysterical. Even though, of course, you're right. |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
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| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 01:30 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Directors now like to hit us over the head banging home the relevance of a revival. Last summer JULIUS CEASAR, for example. The director didn't trust the audience to draw its own parallels to contemporary America, and now CABARET plans to do the same. When Arthur Miller wrote THE CRUCIBLE, he trusted the audience to make the proper connections. In it's latest revival, Ivo Van Hove did not. |
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| I prefer to wait for "Offred!" a musical version of "The Handmaid's Tale" (nmi.) | |
| Posted by: Delvino 11:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Sure. | |
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| re: I prefer to wait for "Offred!" a musical version of "The Handmaid's Tale" (nmi.) | |
| Posted by: jreid53 08:47 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: I prefer to wait for "Offred!" a musical version of "The Handmaid's Tale" (nmi.) - Delvino 11:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Will this work? | |
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| re: I prefer to wait for "Offred!" a musical version of "The Handmaid's Tale" (nmi.) | |
| Posted by: PeterJCasey 03:13 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: I prefer to wait for "Offred!" a musical version of "The Handmaid's Tale" (nmi.) - Delvino 11:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Blessed be the pineapple. | |
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| A Night at the Garden | |
| Posted by: wizrdofoz27 09:53 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Cliff may have been American, but America was hardly full of Cliffs. Maybe they could set it in the heart of New York City at Madison Square Garden on a night like the one depicted here. | |
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| I didn't know Trump was that old!! nm | |
| Posted by: frankm 01:12 pm EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: A Night at the Garden - wizrdofoz27 09:53 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
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| Posted by: charles1055 08:04 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - andPeggy 06:45 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| why not just let the piece speak for itself? You know why they made these changes. They're making a political point that they believe we're living in times as uncertain and foreboding as the days of the Weimar Republic. You may not agree with that assessment but you know why. |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: andPeggy 09:39 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - charles1055 08:04 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| But just doing the piece as is makes that political point. | |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 09:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - charles1055 08:04 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Doesn't Cabaret as it exists already make a pint about America in 2018? | |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: JohnPopa 10:42 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - Ncassidine 09:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Sure but how can this director take all the credit if he makes the point the way the creators intended? | |
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| re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." | |
| Posted by: Pir8Jenny 04:04 am EDT 08/30/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - JohnPopa 10:42 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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| Yeah. I caught a local production which was set in the appropriate time, but somehow (don't ask) managed to have a flash-forward into the present. And it utterly failed to work for me. Letting the piece speak for itself with the occasional none-too-subtle jab at the present was more than sufficient, but when they tried to hit you over the head with it, I thought it fell apart. I'm sure this is a YMMV situation, but I didn't like the change at all. It somehow managed to cheapen both the director's point and the original piece. Sometimes it works. (I can think of one case where making the commentary explicit completely worked for me, but it may count as a spoiler for a different show, so I'll just be vague about it.) But I think you do this sort of thing at your peril -- to the point where even if you can assume Every Single Person in your audience agrees with you politically, you may STILL turn them off by taking too many liberties with the play. |
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| point* lol | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 09:56 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Cabaret, set "in a seedy American nightclub in the not-too-distant future..." - Ncassidine 09:38 am EDT 08/29/18 | |
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