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| I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 01:21 pm EDT 09/02/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Carole Shelley has passed away. Elephant Man - Duke1979 07:05 am EDT 09/02/18 | |
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| Philip Anglim reprised his role, earning Emmy and Golden Globe nominations, and Kevin Conway played Dr. Trewes again. But Penny Fuller played Mrs. Kendal. I wonder if a scheduling conflict kept Shelley from re-creating her Tony-winning role. |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 03:05 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - WaymanWong 01:21 pm EDT 09/02/18 | |
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| I don't remember reading here about the dispute mentioned by bobby2. I may have just forgotten. Here is something from Carol Lawson’s Times theatre column of January 30, 1981, after Shelley had returned to The Elephant Man: "She [Shelley] left 'The Elephant Man' to star in a film - 'something that doesn't often come into my life.' Colleen Dewhurst, Carol Kane and Shirley Knight were also signed to star in this picture, the project of a Canadian film producer. 'What happened,' said Miss Shelley, her small face tightening into an angry knot, 'is one of the yuck stories of this business. The night after I left the play, I was introduced to Colleen and she said to me,''I'm so sorry, honey.' I said, 'Sorry about what?' She said, 'Don't you know? The movie was canceled last Tuesday.' There was no way I could go back to 'The Elephant Man' because Patricia Elliott had been hired.' "What did she do? 'I went to work at the Shaw Festival in Ontario at Niagara-on-the Lake,' Miss Shelley replied. She starred in 'The Cherry Orchard' and 'Misalliance' there. 'Every three years I like to go back into repertory for learning.' "But what did she really do after such a blow? Miss Shelley smiled ruefully and muttered, 'I bled internally.'" In addition to playing Ranevskaya and Lina Szczepanowska at the Shaw Festival, she also played a leading role in a Hungarian play called The Grand Hunt by Gyula Hernádi. The Shaw Festival season ran till October 9. The Grand Hunt moved on to a run at the National Arts Centre in Ottawa and then to Seattle Rep during the time when the television Elephant Man was planned and filmed. It's possible that she simply didn't want to renege on what may have been a commitment to stay with The Grand Hunt. Meanwhile, Anglim did the Elephant Man tour with Fuller and Ken Ruta. The television version was shot in Toronto the last week of November 1980 (possibly into the first week of December), with Conway. He had left the Broadway production at the same time Shelley left, but the producers don't seem to have been angry at him for leaving. Of course, he had not won a Tony. Perhaps because of her Tony win the producers were particularly anxious for her to either stay on Broadway or do the tour, although I doubt that business suffered much on Broadway when she left or on the tour because she was not on it. Or perhaps there was no unhappiness between them since she returned to the Broadway production on January 6, 1981. If there was a dispute with the producers that kept her out of the television version, it must have been resolved right after the filming. Or she simply felt a commitment to The Grand Hunt. Anyway, she was a great actress. A particularly fine performance of hers that has not been mentioned is when she replaced Piper Laurie a few weeks into the run of The Destiny of Me and played it through the end of the run. |
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| I saw her in one of the "Norman Conquest" plays | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:49 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - AlanScott 03:05 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| and she was great. I think it was "Round and Round the Garden". I believe that she had gotten probably the best reviews of the cast, which included Richard Benjamin, Paula Prentiss and Estelle Parsons, though I do recall there were some problems involving Benjamin and Prentiss particularly, who were giving Shelley a hard time. I also saw her in "The Elephant Man" and while the role probably is a supporting one in terms of length, the impact of her wonderful performance was that of a great leading lady. Rest in peace. | |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: bobby2 12:28 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - WaymanWong 01:21 pm EDT 09/02/18 | |
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| and Penny Fuller won an Emmy for it too. This has been discussed on here before. I don't remember all the details. She had a complicated relationship with the Elephant Man producers. She left the play over a salary dispute I think and then regretted it. She eventually returned to the show but only after Patricia Elliot had played the role for a long time. I don't know if that dispute carried over into the casting of the TV movie. (which also features an early performance from Glenn Close. |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: bobby2 03:26 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - bobby2 12:28 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| I could be totally wrong about this dispute with the producers stuff. Alan could be right above. All I really do remember for sure is that she left the role and regretted it and then returned when the role became available again. | |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:36 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - bobby2 03:26 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| AlanScott and bobby2, thanks for your postings. The encyclopedic knowledge of others is part of what makes All That Chat so amazing. | |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: bobby2 04:21 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - WaymanWong 03:36 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| I also remember from childhood a commercial she did upon her return. It was her and David Rounds sitting in a restaurant (Sardi's maybe) and sort of boasting about their performances and then they both turn to each other to casually show off their Tonys. They were sitting at different tables with their backs to each other each (in character) explaining how their show was better. Rounds had won a Tony for Morning's at Seven which had the same producers as The Elephant Man and they often ran joint ads. (Rounds is in the TV movie strangely enough though Carole isn't. BTW if you have Amazon Prime the TV film is free for viewing.) |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:53 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:52 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - bobby2 04:21 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| Rounds isn't in the 1982 tv movie directed by Vivan Matalon; it was Robert Moberly. | |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: bobby2 09:01 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - PlayWiz 11:52 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| According to IMDB and the opening credits Rounds is listed. I started watching it last night. I'll see if he shows up. | |
| Link | https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166593/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_14 |
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| You're talking about two different productions | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 09:53 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - bobby2 09:01 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| PlayWiz is talking about the television adaptation of Vivian Matalon's production of Morning's at Seven, for which Rounds won a Tony onstage but he's not in the television version, while you're talking about the television production of The Elephant Man. | |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:00 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - PlayWiz 11:52 am EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| Which begs the question: Why didn't David Rounds re-create his Tony-winning role in the TV movie of ''Morning's at Seven''? (The TV version includes Broadway members of that 1980 revival, like Elizabeth Wilson, Teresa Wright, Maureen O'Sullivan …) |
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| re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:05 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I wonder why Shelley didn't do the 1982 TV movie of 'Elephant Man' - WaymanWong 04:00 pm EDT 09/03/18 | |
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| In the case of Morning's at Seven it's easy to answer. It's the tour cast that was filmed. Only four of the nine cast members who opened the revival at the Lyceum toured, and so only those four — Maurice Copeland, Maureen O'Sullivan, Elizabeth Wilson and Teresa Wright — were in the television filming. | |
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