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| Posted by: downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| After watching the numbers from Mean Girls and The Prom on NBC, I felt like I was watching the same show. The songs were almost interchangeable and the recycled choreography was just that. I might buy a ticket at TKTS but that’s it. | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS | |
| Posted by: jero 07:58 am EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: Macy’s Parade - downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I should have known something was up when Kelly Clarkson performed early, but as usual I tuned out after the Rockettes. I guess I missed Kong and DEH. It's been a busy week and I haven't kept up on what shows were performing. Rats. So how was KONG please? | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS | |
| Posted by: gobohobo 09:10 am EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - jero 07:58 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| I missed seeing KONG in the broadcast, too, but found it on Youtube. Link attached. | |
| Link | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjIqNj4vFeI |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS - DEH CBS link | |
| Posted by: theaterluvr 03:00 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - jero 07:58 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| I wonder, other than being aired on Thurs morning, how is this part of Macy’s thanksgiving parade? | |
| Link | Dear Evan Hansen (Macy’s thanksgiving parade) |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS - DEH CBS link | |
| Posted by: jero 05:24 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - DEH CBS link - theaterluvr 03:00 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| I don't understand. DEH didn't perform live but showed video? | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS - DEH CBS link | |
| Posted by: dbarnum 11:40 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - DEH CBS link - jero 05:24 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| The CBS broadcast never shows live performances of Broadway shows, they are always taped in their respective theaters. Only NBC shows live performances. | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS | |
| Posted by: sacpsych 09:08 am EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - jero 07:58 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| Kong, DEH, and Head Over Heels were all on the CBS broadcast - and they're all posted on YouTube for anyone who missed them. No one at our gathering was much impressed by Kong (or HOH, for that matter). |
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| re: Macy’s Parade RATS | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 01:23 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade RATS - sacpsych 09:08 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| HOH doesn't seem to realize that the opening is the weakest number from the show, both in person and on TV. | |
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| The Shrill of it All! | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 02:52 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: Macy’s Parade - downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Oy vey! The singing on THE PROM, SUMMER and MEAN GIRLS! And the gymnastics (Oops, I mean chorepgraphy!) | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade Meanwhile on CBS | |
| Posted by: Thom915 01:37 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: Macy’s Parade - downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Dear Evan Hanson came across as effectively as I have ever seen it done on television. King Kong was oddly interesting too. | |
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| re: Macy’s Parade Meanwhile on CBS | |
| Posted by: Cainebj 05:52 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Macy’s Parade Meanwhile on CBS - Thom915 01:37 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I agree about King Kong - I was impressed by the puppet. I also found the Head Over Heels number entertaining. |
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| I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:45 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: Macy’s Parade - downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I’m surprised they did the finale number with lesbian kiss at parade. There are several good numbers in the show. For me, the high school prom was the less interesting part of show. Thel broadway characters are a delight | |
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| re: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. | |
| Posted by: jero 05:28 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. - dramedy 12:45 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I liked the Mean Girls number much more than when I saw it in the show.. I think out of context it stood more strongly alone than when being surrounded by similar songs. But I really enjoyed MG. The Prom song didn't make me want to see it. | |
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| re: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:21 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. - dramedy 12:45 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| "For me, the high school prom was the less interesting part of show. Thel broadway characters are a delight." I think the lesbian characters and the prom plot work wonderfully well in the show, but perhaps not so much in one number out of context. (I didn't see the parade pesentation.) |
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| re: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:38 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. - dramedy 12:45 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| First gay kiss on the parade. I loved "The Prom". The Broadway stars are delightful (though the Fosse Dancer hits a sour note with her gypsy joke), but the high school lovers are the heart of the show, and that shone through for me in their performance today. I found the Mean Girls number incredibly generic. And yes, the choreo is pulling from the same styles, but most Broadway dance is fairly repetitive, just the reference point is changing as we bring hip hop to the theater. The show that The Prom is really a twin to is Everybody's Talking About Jamie. The former is more polished (and gives us the finale we want), but I felt the latter was more genuine. They both left me in tears. |
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| re: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. | |
| Posted by: Ann 12:49 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. - dramedy 12:45 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Were the leads there? | |
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| the entire cast did the number. Nmi | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:23 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I liked the prom but was bored at mean girls. - Ann 12:49 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| The Prom | |
| Last Edit: Ann 12:33 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| Posted by: Ann 12:32 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: Macy’s Parade - downtownlw 10:05 am EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I don't know what songs they did, and I haven't seen Mean Girls, but I did see The Prom yesterday and loved it. On paper, it sounded like it could be sketchy, but after friends gave very positive reports, I got a ticket. The main characters in The Prom are not kids (maybe they did one of the kids' numbers in the parade), and a good number of the songs are for Leavel and Ashmanskas (plus Sieber) and this is a show each could have dreamed for. They are terrific. The Prom may not change your life (unless you're really in need of some smart and savvy fun), but is worth a visit. Even from TKTS. I haven't looked at the latest numbers, but I hope the show catches on. I do think it's getting good word of mouth, and the Times review was great, right? I personally think the title isn't helping it - too generic, and everyone will have their own idea of what it might mean. Though I don't have any better ideas. |
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| re: The Prom | |
| Last Edit: Ballerina56 01:56 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| Posted by: Ballerina56 01:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: The Prom - Ann 12:32 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I wholeheartedly agree, Ann! I went in with no expectations, and had the time of my life. Absolutely hilarious and a feel-good time. Haven't had this much fun (at this type of show) since HAIRSPRAY. Both Leavel and Ashmanskas truly define their roles! This show may have aided in my disappointment with THE CHER SHOW which I saw a week later. Two different animals, but THE PROM is the one I was more entertained by. Box office grosses aren't high, but have been consistently going up. They cracked the 400K mark last week. I hope the numbers pick up as the show certainly deserves a healthy run. And yes, it was a NY Times Critics Pick by Jesse Green. |
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| re: The Prom | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 03:39 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: re: The Prom - Ballerina56 01:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| You're the second person I've heard refer to this show as the next Hairspray. | |
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| I also enjoyed The Prom! | |
| Posted by: seeseveryshow 03:25 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: re: The Prom - Ballerina56 01:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Saw it last Saturday Night, when Beth Leavel was out (she was also out for the matinee). Her cover/understudy, Kate Marilley, seemed to perform flawlessly despite limited prep time. The show is great fun, from beginning to end, and has some catchy tunes. I couldn't see the 2nd balcony sides, but the orchestra and mezzanine looked full - which is not what the telecharge diagram indicated two days earlier. There were hundreds of unsold seats when I ordered mine. Delighted it got what used to be called a "money review" from the NY Times. Highly recommended. |
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| re: I also enjoyed The Prom! | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:50 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: I also enjoyed The Prom! - seeseveryshow 03:25 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I've heard the same great report about Kate Marilley from two other people. Great break for her. | |
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| re: I also enjoyed The Prom! Prom performance with understudy reviewed | |
| Posted by: elyse (esommer@curtainup.com) 09:08 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I also enjoyed The Prom! - Ann 03:50 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| I thought Kate Marilley was so good and on the mark that she deserved to have our review go up based on her performance-- if it runs long enough, this should make her a prime candidate to step in if and when Leavel moves on. www.curtainup.com/prom18.html | |
| Link | Curtainup Prom review with undersudy as Dee Dee |
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| Link to "This Week on Broadway" podcast including my report on Kate Marilley's fabulous "understudy-to-the-rescue" performance in THE PROM | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:51 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: I also enjoyed The Prom! Prom performance with understudy reviewed - elyse 09:08 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Link | "This Week on Broadway" podcast for 11/18/2018 |
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| Did 'The Prom' feature the 1st lesbian kiss on the Macy's Parade? | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 12:49 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: The Prom - Ann 12:32 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| A couple posters on the BroadwayWorld board say there are folks in middle America tweeting about their outrage over the kiss. (Meantime, kudos to all the Broadway performers for strutting their stuff in 19-degree temperatures.) |
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| Link | The Prom' says it's 'Time to Dance' on Macy's Thanksgiving Parade |
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| re: Did 'The Prom' feature the 1st lesbian kiss on the Macy's Parade? | |
| Posted by: jero 05:26 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: Did 'The Prom' feature the 1st lesbian kiss on the Macy's Parade? - WaymanWong 12:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| this kiss thing took me by surprise.. All I was thinking was I didn't much like the choreography. | |
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| That WAS the 1st same-sex kiss on the Parade; 'The Prom' thanks Macy's & NBC | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:09 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
| In reply to: Did 'The Prom' feature the 1st lesbian kiss on the Macy's Parade? - WaymanWong 12:46 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| Link | Entertainment Weekly: 'The Prom' celebrates '1st LGBTQ kiss' in Macy's Parade history |
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| Conservative group claims LGBT kiss stole the 'innocence of millions' of kids; Twitter blasts back | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 10:54 am EST 11/23/18 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 10:44 am EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: That WAS the 1st same-sex kiss on the Parade; 'The Prom' thanks Macy's & NBC - WaymanWong 03:09 pm EST 11/22/18 | |
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| The irony is that this kind of conservative outrage will help promote ''The Prom'' even more … | |
| Link | Huffington Post: Conservative group rants about same-sex kiss; Twitter reacts with love (and withering wit) |
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| "Conservative group" has apparently never met any actual children.--n/m | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 03:44 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: Conservative group claims LGBT kiss stole the 'innocence of millions' of kids; Twitter blasts back - WaymanWong 10:44 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| re: Conservative group claims LGBT kiss stole the 'innocence of millions' of kids; Twitter blasts back | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:18 am EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: Conservative group claims LGBT kiss stole the 'innocence of millions' of kids; Twitter blasts back - WaymanWong 10:44 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| Who cares what some crackpot rightwingers thinks? Not every fringe group with a Twitter account deserves to have their views amplified with media coverage. | |
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| And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:00 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Conservative group claims LGBT kiss stole the 'innocence of millions' of kids; Twitter blasts back - MockingbirdGirl 11:18 am EST 11/23/18 | |
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| The lesbian kiss in the number from that great new show THE PROM was all kinds of wonderful, but it has often been said -- and I think it's true -- that female/female kisses are far more acceptable (or, if you will, less offensive) to the non-gay general public than male/male kisses. So that will be another huge milestone when/if it happens. | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 04:00 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| And yet, the American theater has been far more comfortable putting gay stories on stage than lesbian stories. The cannon of lesbian plays is quite shallow, and it wasn't until a few years ago that we had our first musical that foreground lesbian love and existence. This may not be your intention, but I would hate to take away from lesbians finally getting their due by complaining about women having or doing something that men don't or haven't. | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: SRMHAYES 12:07 am EST 11/26/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| One "n" in "canon" in this usage, please. We aren't trying to blow anything up! ;-) | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:42 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Singapore/Fling 04:13 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| "And yet, the American theater has been far more comfortable putting gay stories on stage than lesbian stories. The cannon of lesbian plays is quite shallow, and it wasn't until a few years ago that we had our first musical that foreground lesbian love and existence. This may not be your intention, but I would hate to take away from lesbians finally getting their due by complaining about women having or doing something that men don't or haven't." Not only wasn't it my intention, it wasn't what I wrote. I didn't "complain" at all, and you completely misunderstood my point. Also, you spelled "canon" wrong. I'm not even sure your statement that "American theater has been far more comfortable putting gay stories on stage than lesbian stories" is correct. Did you just write that off the top of your head, or have you made a list? If there is an inequality here, I don't think it's a very large one. I can think of several well-known plays and musicals with lesbian characters, including one of the first major portrayals of gay (or possibly gay) characters on stage, THE CHILDREN'S HOUR. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: SRMHAYES 12:10 am EST 11/26/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 04:42 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| "Nine". | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
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| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 04:42 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| Another famous play with lesbian characters is the '64 The Killing of Sister George. In the pre-code movie era there are some pretty shocking scenes depicting lesbian activity in films. Two that I can think of off the top of my head are Queen Christina (1933) in which Greta Garbo kisses Elizabeth Allan full on the lips and The Sign of the Cross (1932) where Joyzelle begins to remove Elissa Landi's clothing, dances around her, and touches her intimately while Fredric March watches and is obviously aroused. Years later in the movies lesbian attraction had to be depicted more subtly, generally by a glance or a look, e.g., in Caged (1950) by Hope Emerson and Lee Patrick and in Walk on the Wild Side by Barbara Stanwyck. | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:19 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - BroadwayTonyJ 01:59 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
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| "Another famous play with lesbian characters is the '64 The Killing of Sister George." Yes, thanks, I thought of that one after I posted. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:25 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 04:42 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| It may not have been your intention, as I acknowleged, but it is there in the subtext. And I might be more gracious to your denial that this was in the background of what you wrote if your reply wasn't built around attempts to belittle my authority to write on the subject. Where you might consider the ways in which men have an advantage in the theater, instead you further attempt to discredit the idea of a structural imbalance by denying my claim, rather than making a meaningful attempt at bolstering your own point of view. I am not familiar with "The Children's Hour", and I will acknowledge that I wasn't looking too far back into the past, where we have more veiled treatments of sexuality. I was looking at post-Stonewall plays in which gay and lesbian characters are out and proud. I can run off a whole list of gay plays that have been celebrated and put on Broadway (often multiple times, in the case of "Torch Song", and "Angels in America", or at least in the form of a major NY revival, as in "The Boys in the Band" and "The Normal Heart"), but when it comes to lesbian stories, the plays of major standing that come to mind are "Stop Kiss", which only played Off-Broadway and has not had a significant revival, and "Indecent". When we consider that latter play alongside "Fun Home", "The Prom", one of the storylines from "Head Over Heels", and the upcoming "Lempicka" (presuming it makes it to New York), we're starting to see a parity of these stories alongside gay stories (yay), but it is a recent phenomenon. I'm sure that there are some plays I'm not remembering (I guess we could include the Don Nguyen play at Playwrights Realm last year, and of course there is Alexa Junge's adaptation of "Fingersmiths" that is bouncing around the regions), but I could easily rattle off another 30 - 40 gay plays, as well as writers whose entire careers have been dedicated to telling gay stories or putting gay culture on stage at significant venues (Terrence McNally, Nicky Silver, Tarell Alvin McCraney). Perhaps I'm not paying enough attention to the lesbian canon (writing on my laptop now, so typos are less likely to happen, but thank you for the note), but I can't think of nearly as many plays or playwrights that have been engaging in these issues in a meaningful way. And that last note is the most important one. Yes, there are some plays that have put lesbians on stage as characters, but they have not necessarily been driving the story or existing at the center of the story. So while the lesbians in "Falsettos" are emotionally compelling and elevate the storytelling, they aren't necessarily present enough to be included in my list of lesbian plays. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| "It may not have been your intention, as I acknowleged, but it is there in the subtext." It is not in the "subtext." You created that subtext in your own mind. Please re-read what I wrote -- or not. "And I might be more gracious to your denial that this was in the background of what you wrote if your reply wasn't built around attempts to belittle my authority to write on the subject." Whatever degree of authority you have on the subject has nothing to do with the fact that you completely misinterpreted and mis-characterized what I wrote. "Where you might consider the ways in which men have an advantage in the theater, instead you further attempt to discredit the idea of a structural imbalance by denying my claim, rather than making a meaningful attempt at bolstering your own point of view." Here again, men having an advantage in the theater has zero to do with what I originally wrote. I will repeat: I have often seen it written and heard it expressed that the general audience of non-gay people has a far greater problem with male-on-male kisses than female-on-female kisses in movies, plays, etc. I think this is very true as a general statement, and it doesn't take an expert in social studies or gender/sexual orientation studies to understand why. So while I wrote and will repeat that the lesbian kiss in the PROM number telecast as part of the Macy's Thanksgiving parade was "all kinds of wonderful," I simply remarked that I don't believe it challenged many non-gay viewers to quite the same degree that a male-male kiss in the Macy's Thanksgiving parade would have, and I stand by my statement that such a kiss will be another major milestone when it happens. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:36 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| You're right that I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt, and for that I apologize. What I should have written was that you seemed to be suggesting that women had an easier road to having a kiss on the parade, which seems unfair. While it might be true that they were able to clear that final hurdle, it has taken them far, far longer to gain a presence as leading characters in their own stories in mainstream theater as compared to gays (which I take it you agree with). I judged your intention unfairly, but I still bristled at an action which seemed to minimize the achievement of lesbian stories in theater. They've had a longer road than we have, and an achievement for them is an achievement for all of us. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:17 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
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| Thank you for clarifying. I did not in any way intend to minimize the achievement of lesbian theater stories in theater. For what it's worth, I do believe that it was a SOMEWHAT easier road to having a female/female kiss on the parade than a male/male kiss, but only SOMEWHAT easier. And that is not to imply "easy," as we have since read of the negative reactions, which are sad but not surprising. | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 01:28 am EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| A substantial subset of straight men look at two women kissing and think "That's hot, I want to get in on that." A substantial(ly overlapping) subset of straight men look at two men kissing and think "Ewww, penis!" |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:57 am EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - sirpupnyc 01:28 am EST 11/24/18 | |
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| "A substantial subset of straight men look at two women kissing and think 'That's hot, I want to get in on that.' A substantial(ly overlapping) subset of straight men look at two men kissing and think 'Ewww, penis!'" Yes, that's part of it. Although it is also said that many straight women find male-male kisses in movies, etc. to be romantic and hot, while many men are disgusted by them. I believe there's even a joke about this in the movie of JEFFREY, or it might be in the movie IN AND OUT. |
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