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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Singapore/Fling 05:25 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| "It may not have been your intention, as I acknowleged, but it is there in the subtext." It is not in the "subtext." You created that subtext in your own mind. Please re-read what I wrote -- or not. "And I might be more gracious to your denial that this was in the background of what you wrote if your reply wasn't built around attempts to belittle my authority to write on the subject." Whatever degree of authority you have on the subject has nothing to do with the fact that you completely misinterpreted and mis-characterized what I wrote. "Where you might consider the ways in which men have an advantage in the theater, instead you further attempt to discredit the idea of a structural imbalance by denying my claim, rather than making a meaningful attempt at bolstering your own point of view." Here again, men having an advantage in the theater has zero to do with what I originally wrote. I will repeat: I have often seen it written and heard it expressed that the general audience of non-gay people has a far greater problem with male-on-male kisses than female-on-female kisses in movies, plays, etc. I think this is very true as a general statement, and it doesn't take an expert in social studies or gender/sexual orientation studies to understand why. So while I wrote and will repeat that the lesbian kiss in the PROM number telecast as part of the Macy's Thanksgiving parade was "all kinds of wonderful," I simply remarked that I don't believe it challenged many non-gay viewers to quite the same degree that a male-male kiss in the Macy's Thanksgiving parade would have, and I stand by my statement that such a kiss will be another major milestone when it happens. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:36 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| You're right that I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt, and for that I apologize. What I should have written was that you seemed to be suggesting that women had an easier road to having a kiss on the parade, which seems unfair. While it might be true that they were able to clear that final hurdle, it has taken them far, far longer to gain a presence as leading characters in their own stories in mainstream theater as compared to gays (which I take it you agree with). I judged your intention unfairly, but I still bristled at an action which seemed to minimize the achievement of lesbian stories in theater. They've had a longer road than we have, and an achievement for them is an achievement for all of us. |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:17 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Singapore/Fling 06:36 pm EST 11/24/18 | |
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| Thank you for clarifying. I did not in any way intend to minimize the achievement of lesbian theater stories in theater. For what it's worth, I do believe that it was a SOMEWHAT easier road to having a female/female kiss on the parade than a male/male kiss, but only SOMEWHAT easier. And that is not to imply "easy," as we have since read of the negative reactions, which are sad but not surprising. | |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 01:28 am EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - Michael_Portantiere 06:31 pm EST 11/23/18 | |
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| A substantial subset of straight men look at two women kissing and think "That's hot, I want to get in on that." A substantial(ly overlapping) subset of straight men look at two men kissing and think "Ewww, penis!" |
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| re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:57 am EST 11/24/18 | |
| In reply to: re: And now I hope we can all look forward to a male-male kiss during the Macy's parade telecast someday - sirpupnyc 01:28 am EST 11/24/18 | |
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| "A substantial subset of straight men look at two women kissing and think 'That's hot, I want to get in on that.' A substantial(ly overlapping) subset of straight men look at two men kissing and think 'Ewww, penis!'" Yes, that's part of it. Although it is also said that many straight women find male-male kisses in movies, etc. to be romantic and hot, while many men are disgusted by them. I believe there's even a joke about this in the movie of JEFFREY, or it might be in the movie IN AND OUT. |
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