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| re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:04 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' - JereNYC 02:59 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
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| "What you actually hear when you listen to the song is one person trying to coerce another into doing something he or she does not want to do. " With all due respect: Did you read the analysis? Hugely significant is the fact that the person in question DOES want to stay, but that person -- originally a woman, as the song was originally conceived -- protests that she can't (read: shouldn't stay) because of what other people will assume and think of her if she stays. Yes, if the person in question REALLY did not want to stay for her own reasons and according to her own wishes, and the other person kept trying to coerce her into staying anyway, THAT would be a very problematic song. But that's not a valid interpretation of what's happening in the song, as explained in that excellent analysis. |
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| re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 04:25 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' - Michael_Portantiere 04:04 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
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| Totally get what you're saying because I did read the analysis. But my point is...what about most of the people out there in the world listening to this song in 2018 who DIDN'T read the analysis? On a casual listen, I think it it's more likely that someone, without benefit of context set out by articles like this, would say that one person is trying to pressure another into doing something he/she doesn't want to do. I just don't think most people listen to their radios or Christmas albums and sit there and analyse what they are hearing. If they did, we'd hear a lot of less of MAME's "We Need A Little Christmas" at this time of year. So that's why, as terrific a song as this is, I understand when people find it icky in the face of #metoo and decide that it's time to retire it. |
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| re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:32 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
| In reply to: re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' - JereNYC 04:25 pm EST 12/03/18 | |
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| "But my point is...what about most of the people out there in the world listening to this song in 2018 who DIDN'T read the analysis? On a casual listen, I think it it's more likely that someone, without benefit of context set out by articles like this, would say that one person is trying to pressure another into doing something he/she doesn't want to do." On this point, I completely agree with you. But I think that's a huge problem with the world today -- people over-reacting emotionally to something without exercising their intelligence to think it through and figure out if there's really anything for them to be upset about. Like the "gypsy" controversy. But I'm certainly not going to get into that... |
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