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Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!!
Posted by: BillyG 04:40 pm EST 12/03/18
In reply to: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' - LynnB 11:02 am EST 12/03/18

Or the countless rap/hip hop songs which portray women as sexual objects.

Come on people. Really?!!!!
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re: Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!!
Last Edit: ntjvy 08:30 pm EST 12/03/18
Posted by: ntjvy 08:29 pm EST 12/03/18
In reply to: Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!! - BillyG 04:40 pm EST 12/03/18

. . . the implication that there is no "no one objecting" to the countless "rap/hip-hop songs which portray women as sexual objects" is absurd. Google misogyny of rap music and you'll find that there's been a long, thoughtful, multifaceted compelling dialog that includes objection, criticism and analysis of the phenomena.

And as always. . . when confronted with a criticism, pointing and yelling "But nobody is criticizing THOSE things over THERE" doesn't negate the initial criticism. If anything, it's a call to broaden the dialog.

That said, I enjoy "Baby it's Cold Outside" and appreciate the interpretation of it above. But your logic, and inaccurate observations of other genres fall short.
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re: Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!!
Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 04:44 pm EST 12/03/18
In reply to: Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!! - BillyG 04:40 pm EST 12/03/18

The objections to this song are not about sexism, but about implied coercion and assault, if that's your interpretation of what's happening in the lyrics.

An appropriate person with whom to take up your pique at the changing way people view this song is Bill Cosby.
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or "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" which condones and lets bullies off the hook
Last Edit: PlayWiz 05:33 pm EST 12/03/18
Posted by: PlayWiz 05:31 pm EST 12/03/18
In reply to: re: Why is no one objecting to "SANTA BABY"--which is much more sexist?!!!! - JereNYC 04:44 pm EST 12/03/18

after making poor Rudolph feel terrible; in the cartoon he is even shamed into leaving home and putting himself into danger. While I feel empathy for Rudolph, I've always hated the line in the song that says "Then all the reindeer loved him" after Santa asked him to help guide his sleight. "Then?" Then they loved him? after they "used to laugh and call him names" and not let him take part in any reindeer games, all the crap they doled out to him when they couldn't use him. Screw them -- Rudolph should have gone into business for himself.
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