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re: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.'
Posted by: Chromolume 11:31 pm EST 12/03/18
In reply to: Listening while feminist: a defense of 'Baby, It's Cold Outside.' - LynnB 11:02 am EST 12/03/18

I'm responding generally to this whole thread, with the posts about the context of the song in mind in particular. I get that - that many people may only hear the song in a current light without considering anything else. But, for the rest of us - let's give Loesser some credit, for god's sake. When he wants to write a scene about a dark seduction/rape, he does - e.g. "Don't Cry" from The Most Happy Fella, where the dissonance and abrupt emotional shifts in the music tell us everything we need to know about the nature of Joey and Rosabella's story at that point.

Compare that to the light and bouncy major-key quality of "Baby, It's Cold Outside" - this is not music that describes date rape, this is not about slipping a mickey in a girl's drink, this is not about "no means no." It's a clear flirting game between two people who clearly DO want to end up together.

I just think it's a shame that we can't see and enjoy the cleverness and yes, the mature adult frankness in the song, as clearly intended - but instead it has to become an example of tone deafness in a #metoo world that Loesser wasn't living in.

I understand that times change, and yes, that many people hearing the song don't have a reference point to compare it to, and can only hear it in an ultra-contemporary world. I just think it's a shame this song gets dumped on when it really shouldn't be.
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