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| Posted by: NewtonUK 09:51 am EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - Chromolume 07:16 pm EST 01/01/19 | |
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| PS. I wasn't comparing the music of 'vissi d'arte' with the big Adriana aria - just the my life and art motif in the lyrics. I think this aria falls at an unfortunate place in the score for the soprano - she has barely uttered a sound, and has to to then come forth with her 'big number'. Puccini almost always handled this better - whether Rodolfo or Mimi or Tosca or Scarpia or Musetta or Mario etc etc, they get to enter, sing for a bit, and finally get to their first big arias after they have had a chance to get their sea legs so to speak. Her its pretty much, Hi, How are You, SING! Netrebko sounded OK - but as has been posted, her voice has had various issues over the past several seasons. The only negative thing I can say about the performance really is that there was a gent and a lady in standing room behind my seat, screaming 'Bravo' after every aria, I mean screaming. And every time Netrebko hugged a character or kissed, or looked sad, the gentleman let audible sounds and words. Truly annoying. (And of course, didnt know the difference between Bravo, Brava, and Bravi. But knew EEVRYTHING about opera, don't you know) |
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| re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met | |
| Posted by: Ordoc 01:31 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - NewtonUK 09:51 am EST 01/02/19 | |
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| NewtonUK states, "The only negative thing I can say about the performance really is that there was a gent and a lady in standing room behind my seat, screaming 'Bravo' after every aria, I mean screaming. And every time Netrebko hugged a character or kissed, or looked sad, the gentleman let audible sounds and words. Truly annoying. (And of course, didnt know the difference between Bravo, Brava, and Bravi. But knew EEVRYTHING about opera, don't you know)" I just loved Opera Snobs. Why don't you write "NewtonUK's Guide To Opera?" This site is called Talkin Broadway; not Talkin Opera! |
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| re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:48 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - Ordoc 01:31 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
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| "I just loved Opera Snobs." Umm...what? Anyway, opera is a form of theater and has always been welcome for discussion on this board. If you don't like it, feel free not to participate. (But you already did.) |
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| re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 04:22 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - Michael_Portantiere 01:48 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
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| And, context being what it is - we're also discussing an opera about a theatre actress (with her literal recitation from Phedre being a key moment in the opera). | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 07:24 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - Chromolume 04:22 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
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| "And, context being what it is - we're also discussing an opera about a theatre actress (with her literal recitation from Phedre being a key moment in the opera)." Yes, but no need to justify your love :-) |
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| Last Edit: Chromolume 11:28 am EST 01/02/19 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:28 am EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - NewtonUK 09:51 am EST 01/02/19 | |
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| Puccini almost always handled this better - whether Rodolfo or Mimi or Tosca or Scarpia or Musetta or Mario etc etc, they get to enter, sing for a bit, and finally get to their first big arias after they have had a chance to get their sea legs so to speak. Not Mario. Look at how little he sings before "Recondita Armonia." ;-) (Also compare with other composers - Verdi, for instance, who has Radames sing his huge and difficult aria right away, etc. It's not as uncommon as you may think.) Anyone can ostensibly sing about "life and art" etc. But in Tosca's aria, "I lived for art and love" isn't really a motif, it's just a starting thought that really don't get developed - the aria itself is a plea to god in a horrible situation, it's NOT about her being an artist (whereas Adriana's aria, sung in the context of her practicing her lines, is.) Tosca is really singing more about "I've really tried to do so much good in my life - how the hell have I ended up here?" I think you're making way too much of one single lyric, lol. Might as well compare "Poveri fiori" to Don Jose's Flower Song - hey, they both have a flower motif...;-) |
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| re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met | |
| Posted by: AC126748 01:15 pm EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - Chromolume 11:28 am EST 01/02/19 | |
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| Puccini almost always handled this better - whether Rodolfo or Mimi or Tosca or Scarpia or Musetta or Mario etc etc, they get to enter, sing for a bit, and finally get to their first big arias after they have had a chance to get their sea legs so to speak. Not Mario. Look at how little he sings before "Recondita Armonia." ;-) (Also compare with other composers - Verdi, for instance, who has Radames sing his huge and difficult aria right away, etc. It's not as uncommon as you may think.) Musetta also has very little to sing before "Quando m'en vo," and there are a host of other Puccini characters who disprove this theory (hi, Turandot!) |
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| Posted by: larry13 11:11 am EST 01/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: New ADRIANA LECOUVREUR at the Met - NewtonUK 09:51 am EST 01/02/19 | |
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| I just want to say that, while "Puccini almost always handled this better," there is a long history of composers, great or mediocre like Cilea, giving characters big arias almost immediately. Most(in?)famous perhaps is Verdi, who definitely knew better, giving the tenor "Celeste Aida," a much more difficult piece of music than anyone in ADRIANA has to sing, virtually immediately at the opening of the opera. And Adriana herself still has "Poveri fiori," a VERY big number, waiting for her in the final act. |
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