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| Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 03:45 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
| In reply to: Saw it last night (was re: Wondering if The Prom will benefit . . .) - jurinac 10:08 am EST 01/04/19 | |
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| ...as a surprisingly delightful location for a potentially romantic dinner....which it is...cannot be derided as "culturally elite". (There is plenty of compassion for all in The Prom. Please recall--they were about to solve the problem when the outsiders arrived. And every one of the "enlightened" goes through their own "enlightenment" as well.) But that is just another midwestern homosexual's impression, anyway. (But I'll be happy to back myself up with text from the show. ;) ) |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 04:02 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
| In reply to: Any show that presents Applebees... - Quicheo 03:45 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
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| "There is plenty of compassion for all in The Prom. Please recall--they were about to solve the problem when the outsiders arrived. And every one of the 'enlightened' goes through their own 'enlightenment' as well.)" Thanks. It's almost as if the people who are objecting to the politics of the show paid attention to only certain parts of the show and ignored others. |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: jurinac 06:59 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - Michael_Portantiere 04:02 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
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| Only paying attention to some parts of the show? Maybe you’re right: I obviously slept through the scenes in which the folk of Indiana were characterized in any kind of detail. I only imagined the girl’s song that was framed as a denunciation of Indiana, as well as the production number in which Christopher Sieber made all of the kids look like idiots. The homophobic mom was a fully rounded character, with her own song and everything. Sorry: this rube missed it all from the fourth row center. | |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 10:49 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - jurinac 06:59 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
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| You are certainly welcome to your interpretation, but a couple of comments from a fellow rube: The principal is certainly given plenty of detail and his own song. And he is representing a good chunk of the midwest that I know. An unhappy teen being angry at the behavior of certain peers and adults and generalizing it to her entire state? That felt real, not mean-spirited. Especially when the plot turns prove to her that Indiana (and beyond) can support her and her freedoms by the end of the play. Maybe it was because I was third row center? ;) |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 08:04 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - jurinac 06:59 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
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| "Only paying attention to some parts of the show? Maybe you’re right: I obviously slept through the scenes in which the folk of Indiana were characterized in any kind of detail. I only imagined the girl’s song that was framed as a denunciation of Indiana, as well as the production number in which Christopher Sieber made all of the kids look like idiots. The homophobic mom was a fully rounded character, with her own song and everything. Sorry: this rube missed it all from the fourth row center. All of the material you cite is, in fact, in the show -- and so is all of the other, balancing material that you have chosen to ignore as if it isn't there. That's exactly my point. P.S. Christopher Sieber's character made all of the kids look like idiots to the extent that people who think they can cherry-pick certain strictures of the Bible to pay attention to and condemn others for violating, while ignoring other parts (because they themselves are guilty of those "sins"), are idiots. |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:18 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - Michael_Portantiere 08:04 pm EST 01/04/19 | |
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| I’d go further and ask why care about anything the Bible says? | |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Last Edit: Quicheo 10:50 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 10:43 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - KingSpeed 05:18 am EST 01/05/19 | |
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| I certainly understand what you are saying and there are many who feel that way, I am sure. But--in a situation where a group of people are attempting to make a point using a document they believe in, would you not agree that using that same document to show them a second point or, in this case, a potentially bigger point is a stronger "make friends and influence people" tactic than suggesting they throw out the entire document in the first place? And what Mr. Sieber's song is also about is that people who have excelled in academic theater may be better suited to teach than perform--and I found this personal discovery delightful and unexpected. |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:04 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - Quicheo 10:43 am EST 01/05/19 | |
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| "people who have excelled in academic theater may be better suited to teach than perform--and I found this personal discovery delightful and unexpected." I agree with finding it delightful, but I think it's a little more complicated than that. His character was, after all, on a TV series that is still in syndication, so he did have success as a performer. It's just that, for whatever reason, that didn't turn into a career, and so he is finding another outlet for his skills and passion. This job also gives him a space to exercise his activism and build a community, which are important to him, as they are a large part of what drove this whole troupe to go down there in the first place. |
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| re: Any show that presents Applebees... | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 11:17 am EST 01/05/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Any show that presents Applebees... - Singapore/Fling 11:04 am EST 01/05/19 | |
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| Certainly agree. And you are correct about his previous success, but that very success is a source of embarrassment and consternation for him in that, partially, it doesn't truly represent his abilities and also wasn't the gateway he hoped it would be. I greatly enjoyed his passion for teaching theater as a means of teaching empathy and found his character's discovery of a fulfilling life path--one in which "I went to Julliard" will be met with far fewer eye rolls--really quite sweet. He needs Indiana as much as it needs him. |
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