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re: Saw it last night (was re: Wondering if The Prom will benefit . . .)
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 01:21 pm EST 01/05/19
In reply to: re: Saw it last night (was re: Wondering if The Prom will benefit . . .) - jurinac 12:30 am EST 01/05/19

"Precisely where in the show are the Midwesterners characterized in depth? You keep saying I'm ignoring all these things in the show, but you don't provide specific examples. It's almost as if you're the one who's imagining things that simply aren't there."

The principal is a midwesterner, the mother of the girl who leads the fight against the prom is a midwesterner, and the two young lesbians are midwesterners. I think they are all characterized in depth. It is true that the other kids are not characterized in depth, but there's only so much time in the show. Also, it's germane to note that the focus of the show in general is on fairly broad comedy, rather than serious moments (although there are several of those), so "in-depth characterization" is not the primary goal anyway.

"Frankly, it's hard to believe from many of your other posts here that you really do feel 'It's fine that . . . some other people don't like it, but I also think it's fine and instructive to debate the show's merits and flaws.'"

That sounds like an insult, but I really do believe what I wrote. I just don't think there's any merit in criticism of the show that ignores large sections of it.

In my view, the creators of THE PROM were certainly smart and talented enough to realize that if they wrote a show that depicted the social justice warriors from NYC as perfect people who are 100 percent in the right, and the midwesterners as cardboard villains and backward rubes who are 100 percent in the wrong, that show would have been worthless (and offensive). So the creators worked very hard to balance the scales, and yet it seems to me that you are ignoring (or at least severely downplaying) all of that content and only focusing on the content that supports your perception of the show's politics. I think that's a slap in the face of the creators who worked so very hard to avoid just such a reaction.

Of course, I do consider it objectively wrong to cancel a prom to keep an LGBT couple from attending. But what I wrote was: "In order to enjoy THE PROM, you DO have to view it as objectively wrong to cancel a prom in order to prevent a gay or lesbian teenager from attending with another gay or lesbian teenager as their date because of religious teachings and 'community standards.'" How you can view that statement as "high-minded" is beyond me. Or are you arguing that it IS possible for someone who doesn't view this as objectively wrong to enjoy the show?

You are right, what I should have written was: "Anyone opposed to LGBT couples at a prom should absolutely attend this show if they are open to having their opinions changed." I do think that, sadly, there's no point in such people attending if they are 100 percent set in their feelings and are not open to change. And finally, if you choose to view the attitude of HAIRSPRAY and/or THE PROM as "self-congratulatory," I don't know what to say except I'm sorry your perception of their social justice content is negative rather than positive. But I do wonder, are there other social justice shows that you don't view as "self congratulatory?" For example, how would you characterize TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD?
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