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| an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 08:11 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:08 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: SUNSET BLVD movie confirmed - carolinaguy 06:17 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| Rob Ashford is not even the best of stage directors (and as it happens I have disliked a lot of what he's done with revivals). I am shocked the studio, ALW or Glenn would want this musical of one of the best films ever which is HUGE and bloated on stage (in terms of emotion/music) to be translated back to film by a stage choreographer/director (that order is intentional) who has had inconsistent success on stage to begin with, especially as a director. He is to be in charge of making sure it works on film when he has never directed a film before AND this is a stage musical that has very little choreography and if you cut all the dance opportunities from the stage show it would be exactly the same?! I understand why Rob Marshall, at that point in his career, with the credits he had, got the Chicago film specifically (on paper that particular musical and Marshall at that point were a logical match)... Rob Ashford getting Sunset Boulevard makes no sense to me, and makes me very worried for how this could turn out, beyond how easy it already is for this musical to come off poorly on film. Very surprised it didn't go to a known film director, or someone like Thomas Kail who has had huge success with acclaimed stage work as a director AND had huge recent success as a TV director of musicals. |
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| re: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:58 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake - Chazwaza 08:08 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| "Rob Ashford is not even the best of stage directors (and as it happens I have disliked a lot of what he's done with revivals). I am shocked the studio, ALW or Glenn would want this musical of one of the best films ever which is HUGE and bloated on stage (in terms of emotion/music) to be translated back to film by a stage choreographer/director (that order is intentional) who has had inconsistent success on stage to begin with, especially as a director." You are being far too kind about Ashford. On top of all of the above, Glenn Close is 20 years too old for this role, and that's going to be a LOT more of an issue on film than it was in the Broadway revival. Plus -- are they just going to use the original Broadway cast recording as the soundtrack for her songs? Because I really doubt she can still sing them well enough to use her actual voice. I am incredulous that this project is going to happen, especially with these personnel. But of course, it's still possible that it won't. |
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| I think Glenn is the only guarantee at this point | |
| Posted by: dramedy 08:45 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake - Chazwaza 08:08 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| A lot can happen between now and October with the rest of casting and even possible new dieector. It’s not the first time a director is replaced even midstream—Star Wars: Solo anyone. | |
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| re: I think Glenn is the only guarantee at this point | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:46 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: I think Glenn is the only guarantee at this point - dramedy 08:45 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| It’s not the first time a director is replaced even midstream—Star Wars: Solo anyone. Errr... hardly a success story: |
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| Link | Solo Is Officially the First Star Wars Movie to Flop |
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| World gross was $400m | |
| Posted by: dramedy 09:58 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: I think Glenn is the only guarantee at this point - MockingbirdGirl 09:46 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| But budget was $270m and part of that was switching directors. | |
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| re: World gross was $400m | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 10:27 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:26 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: World gross was $400m - dramedy 09:58 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| Budget was $275m and it only made $213m domestically. Flop. By contrast, Rogue One cost $200m and made $532 domestically. I reiterate: Hardly a stellar example of the wonders that can be worked by switching directors mid-picture. |
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| Of course with movies ..... | |
| Posted by: jdm 10:55 am EST 03/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: World gross was $400m - MockingbirdGirl 10:26 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| there are any after-in-the-theaters venues to make money - DVDs, fios on demand, Netflix, then sold to the various cable stations. Many theatrical movie flops end up making money. Jim |
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| re: World gross was $400m | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:50 am EST 03/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: World gross was $400m - MockingbirdGirl 10:26 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| Movie theater gross is only a portion of final tally with tv rights, dvd sales and every other way Disney sells products. Something s broadway show doesn’t enjoy nearly as much without further investment. The vanity fair article was written a week after release. Yes, it was a disappointment compared to other Star Wars movies. But it will be a money maker. I do wonder if the director wasn’t replaced with Ron Howard what a mess would have been released. And switching directors probably added to the final costs. But the point is, the sunset director could be replaced with a more seasoned movie director. |
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| re: World gross was $400m | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:05 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: World gross was $400m - MockingbirdGirl 10:26 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| "Hardly a stellar example of the wonders that can be worked by switching directors mid-picture." I don't think anyone wrote anything about how wonders can be worked by changing directors mid-picture. The only point made here was that it has happened before. But if you do want an example of how wonders can be worked by changing directors mid-picture, that example is BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. |
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| re: World gross was $400m | |
| Posted by: 15minutecall 09:38 am EST 03/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: World gross was $400m - Michael_Portantiere 11:05 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| Singer wasn’t replaced for artistic reasons. Dexter Fletcher was brought in to film the last bit of Bohemian Rhapsody and did very little in post. John Ottman won the Oscar for editing in large part because he carried the film to the finish line, as he did with most Singer films even when he did do all the shooting. Fletcher didn’t really put his mark on the film. | |
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| re: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 08:35 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 08:34 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake - Chazwaza 08:08 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| Fully agree. I think it needs someone unique, like maybe a Todd Haynes. Who has a great feel for milieu and period and knows how to frame stories. And tells women-driven ones masterfully. This hybrid material -- satire in its origins, and in musicalization operatic at times, yet jazz-inflected in its choral work -- probably can't take the formalist Minnelli approach (that some are advising, elsewhere). It needs a bizarre blend of opposites, intimacy and grandeur. Ashford seems on track to deliver -- sorry, though it wasn't his film -- another "Nine." Ugh. |
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| re: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:01 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: an inconsistent stage director doing this as his FIRST film? big risk, probable mistake - Delvino 08:34 pm EST 02/28/19 | |
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| I'd LOVE Todd Haynes to do this. Another one I'd have loved: John Cameron Mitchell who has proven himself with musicals and straight subtle dramas. |
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