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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 01:36 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - EvFoDr 12:27 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| Yes, although in typical Tim Rice fashion, what exactly IS the song saying ? I read it more as a command (You MUST love me) than a realization...you know? Having said that, our production's director was far more sympathetic to Evan and Juan-- he truly believed they were sincere in much of what they did, and he staged their scenes as true love. Interestingly, the audience members I spoke to still saw/ heard Eva as a manipulative vixen and Juan as an opportunist. The text and subtext come through. :) |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:03 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - GavinLogan1 01:36 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| "Yes, although in typical Tim Rice fashion, what exactly IS the song saying ? I read it more as a command (You MUST love me) than a realization...you know?" Also, I've always thought it weird that, because of the way the lyric is set, the stress falls on the word "You Must Love ME." Which raises the question: As opposed to who else? |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: FiddleMeThis 04:11 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - Michael_Portantiere 03:03 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| Michael is right. YMLM is a redundancy. It’s totaly unnecessary- too much balladry making the second act feel overlong and repetitive. Many productions cut it, and the show is better without. ALW proud of his new composition, and it’s a pretty tune, but dramatically deadly. | |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 05:44 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - FiddleMeThis 04:11 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| If many productions cut it, they do so illegally. Unless they have written consent from Rice and ALW, which I highly doubt they'd receive... It's definitely an interpretive choice. I liked it...but as I stated above, I had to grow to like it. It certainly didn't feel redundant in our production. Also, I don't think Act II is overly ballad heavy... it's got the thrilling "Rainbow High, the rocker "Rainbow Tour", "Money Kept Rolling In" with its relentless 7/8 driving rhythm, the Waltz (not uptempo, but not a ballad either), the (short) reprise of "Peron's Latest Flame"... the "Montage" is a thrilling sequence... I guess you could say "Dice Are Rolling" is a ballad, but it's more of a recitative (a fascinating one, imo). But I could see the argument-- might it also depend on the pacing/ direction of the entire show in general...? |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: JAllenC3 03:35 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - Michael_Portantiere 03:03 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| I've always taken that stress (and the song as a whole) as a surprised realization on Eva's part that maybe Peron really did love her for who she is and not just the political benefit that she gave him, contrasted with her feelings towards him being one of usefulness like all the men in Goodnight and Thank You. And even at this point she has a hard time believing it is genuine love (hence this section): Why are you at my side? How can I be, any use to you now? Give me a chance, and I'll let you see how Nothing has changed She's still going back to the political nature of their relationship while he is behaving according to a more emotional one. |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:03 am EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - JAllenC3 03:35 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| "Why are you at my side? How can I be, any use to you now? Give me a chance, and I'll let you see how Nothing has changed" In my opinion, your quoting of these lyrics only stresses that the song is another generic ballad purposely written so it could stand outside of the movie and win an Oscar for Best Song. But on the other hand, I wouldn't be surprise if it's at least partly a trunk song. |
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| re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 02:24 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is "You Must Love Me" now in the version of Evita... - GavinLogan1 01:36 pm EST 03/06/19 | |
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| Ha, well it could be interpreted as a command, but accompanied by scenes of Eva in a hospital, a wheelchair, being carried, etc. and delivered by Madonna in what I saw as a non commanding way, I'm not sure. I would like to see a take like your director's. The original certainly leaned towards the interpretation of the audience members you mentioned. Prince's choice to flip the scene after Don't Cry for Me greatly added to this. The words by themselves "listen to that, the voice of Argentina, we are adored we are loved" do not automatically say "manipulation". But having them delivered as a "secret" aside in that way certainly does. It was interesting for me to compare with Here Lies Love. I think Evita, in staging and lyrics, does lean towards being anti-Perons. In Here Lies Love I felt Imelda's situation was presented more neutrally. I found myself pondering for weeks after: was she a terrible person taking advantage of the country or was she a victim who made it big and worked tirelessly for the people? Her husband was portrayed in a more blatantly negative light. |
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