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| re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? | |
| Posted by: JayBee 11:15 am EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? - Pashacar 10:03 am EST 03/07/19 | |
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| You had me until the unnecessary comment about white men. There is also a lot of inferior, underdeveloped work being produced merely because their authors are of diverse ethnicities. | |
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| re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:51 am EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? - JayBee 11:15 am EST 03/07/19 | |
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| Well, this year. We'll see if the trend continues. In terms of the OP's comment, the reference to white men also threw me, because the real reason this work is being produced is that the creatives involved all had a big hit at some other time, which makes them an easier sell. And because the comment erased Jessie Nelson, the female co-creator of "Alice by Heart", who also has had phenomenal success on Broadway. And I know that Duncan Sheik, at least, has plenty of not very good musicals that aren't getting produced, so his name and his white maleness alone aren't enough to get everything he does produced. Why did these shows get produced? Sometimes it is about a personal relationship that a theater wants to honor. Sometimes it is about supporting an artist through work both good and not so good. Sometimes it is about an entity with money paying for the show. And sometimes it is because the producers think the show will come together, because other shows that were just as rough on paper or in workshop came together. (I also think Second Stage didn't really learn the right lessons from "Next to Normal".) The only way to truly know is to be involved in the producing conversations at each theater. |
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| re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:41 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? - Singapore/Fling 11:51 am EST 03/07/19 | |
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| I also think Second Stage didn't really learn the right lessons from "Next to Normal" This is more like "Superhero and the Invisible Show" perhaps? ;-) |
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| The reason I mentioned white men... | |
| Posted by: Pashacar 12:51 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: How does something as underdeveloped as SUPERHERO get produced on that level? - Singapore/Fling 11:51 am EST 03/07/19 | |
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| ...is largely because of Suerhero's content. While it's not actively offensive (I mean, it's not actively anything), it has plenty of cringeworthy moments that lack a particular kind of emotional intelligence, which multiple in my group said would never have looked that way had a woman been in the room. Once that comment was made, we checked the playbill and sure enough the creative team was entirely white men. I have nothing against this group, or white men anywhere in the industry, but obviously they're very well represented, and letting any background or perspective monopolize the creative process makes it more likely that important stones will be left unturned, as they were in this show. | |
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| re: The reason I mentioned white men... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 02:15 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: The reason I mentioned white men... - Pashacar 12:51 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
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| "It has plenty of cringeworthy moments that lack a particular kind of emotional intelligence, which multiple in my group said would never have looked that way had a woman been in the room." I THINK I know what you mean, but : Are you seriously suggesting that all women necessarily have a "particular kind of emotional intelligence" that all men lack? |
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| Yes | |
| Posted by: Pashacar 06:57 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: The reason I mentioned white men... - Michael_Portantiere 02:15 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
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| "I THINK I know what you mean, but : Are you seriously suggesting that all women necessarily have a "particular kind of emotional intelligence" that all men lack?" In short, yes. Women and men have different experiences going through life as a result of being in one group vs the other; as such, they bring different perspectives. The same can be said for folks in different groups of religion, ethnicity, of ability. I'm not ranking one over another, just saying that diversity of perspectives is a good thing. |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:02 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: Yes - Pashacar 06:57 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
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| Saying that women in general have different perspectives than men in general is not the same as saying that all women have a particular kind of emotional intelligence that all men lack. I think it's safe to say that some men (e.g., Barack Obama) have more emotional intelligence than some women (e.g., Sarah Palin). | |
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| re: The reason I mentioned white men... | |
| Posted by: winters 01:27 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: The reason I mentioned white men... - Pashacar 12:51 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
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| "I have nothing against this group, or white men anywhere in the industry......" That's very liberal and accepting of you. Perhaps you need to revisit this statement. I have not seen the play. Perhaps the producers and the other creatives saw something in it that did not come to fruition. Or maybe they think it did but you and others do not. It is a given that women and minorities are under represented in theater. Statements like yours are not helpful in that conversation. |
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| re: The reason I mentioned white men... | |
| Posted by: Pashacar 06:59 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
| In reply to: re: The reason I mentioned white men... - winters 01:27 pm EST 03/07/19 | |
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| Can you explain in more detail the issue you see with this statement? | |
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