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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 06:17 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 06:16 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - Chromolume 05:17 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
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| Oh boy, I think the bar scene is the best part of the Minnelli movie. It's definitely corny but Minnelli really captured the spacial and cultural claustrophobia of New York in that scene and why even an one hundred year epidural might be preferable. | |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 06:23 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - singleticket 06:16 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
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| Pauline Kael would agree with you--the bar scene at the end was the only part of the movie Brigadoon that she liked. She felt that here, at last, Minnelli was at home, doing the mad-urban-whirl-of-New-York thing that he was interested in and good at. I love this final scene, too. And--to answer some of the other posters in this thread--I've never found Elaine Stewart's portrayal of Jane to be particularly "unpleasant." She's abrupt, businesslike, and matter-of-fact (partly because in this scene she's in a hurry to get somewhere and a little impatient with Tommy's dreaminess), but in no way "bitchy" in my reading of the scene. But the mere fact that she is abrupt, businesslike, and matter-of-fact shows us instantly why she's wrong for Tommy. He is none of those things; he's a romantic dreamer. He needs the patience she doesn't have and she needs the ambition he doesn't have. But Jane isn't really the heart of Tommy's problem. It's not so much that he needs to lose Jane as that he needs to lose New York, the urban jungle, and the 20th century. He really wants that romantic daydream of peaceful, rustic village life in a previous century, in a perfectly self-sufficient little village with your nearest neighbors about three glens away. That's what the bar scene is in the play and the musical to show us. |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 10:57 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 10:53 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - keikekaze 06:23 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
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| Huh, interesting that Pauline Kael thought that. The bar scene is a really masterful piece of filmaking, particulary the background direction and the placement of the camera, and it anticipates elements of Minnelli's staging of the scene at Maxim's in GIGI. I love the placement of the camera below the bar in the final shot of the sequence, as if the city is on a slope that tilts to the bar where New Yorkers dose themselves just to bear the crush of the city. On closer viewing, I'd say the writing of Jane is less than sympathetic. Jane is not even faking sympathy for her fiancee's best friends' alcoholism. Her complaint is that her friends now find his drinking "boring". But I can understand how her materialism might also be laced with a certain contempt for the urban woman who has her own agenda and isn't waiting at her spinning wheel for her eternal mate. There's another figure that I find a little disturbing in the final shot of the bar scene: a bespectacled gentleman with what reads to me like a Jewish nose who is particularly loud and is barking something about "security". He seems to be there as the final straw to break Mr. Kelly's back and to send him rushing back into the monoculture of Brigadoon. The musical feels very Brexit to me. |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 11:48 pm EDT 03/10/19 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:47 pm EDT 03/10/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - singleticket 10:53 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
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| Why not an Italian or Greek nose? Hmmm, there was this cabaret in Berlin which seemed like a gay old place until the MC started to make fun of some his fellow countrymen... That how some of this shit starts, very small, and it must be called out. |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Posted by: singleticket 09:00 am EDT 03/11/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - PlayWiz 11:47 pm EDT 03/10/19 | |
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| Why not an Italian or Greek nose? Definitely, either could also read as ethnic and urban. The point is that the musical has some very anti-urban, anti-melting pot drives to it... meant for the tired businessmen of the urban melting pot. That how some of this shit starts, very small, and it must be called out. I don't think anti-Semitism starts with someone on ATC pointing out what seems to them like a very soft anti-Semitic trope in a movie from 1953. |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:58 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - singleticket 10:53 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
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| a bespectacled gentleman with what reads to me like a Jewish nose Really? Was that necessary at all? Congresswoman Omar, I presume? :-( (At least we agree about Jane's demeanor in the scene, for what it's worth.) |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 09:15 am EDT 03/11/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 09:11 am EDT 03/11/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - Chromolume 10:58 pm EST 03/09/19 | |
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| Not a fan of Congresswoman Omar but her critics are going to have to listen to more of her and others in the future unless they can find Brigadoon. (Glad we agree about Jane's demeanor.) |
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| re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:41 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
| In reply to: re: BRIGADOON on TCM; I figured out its weak spot - singleticket 06:16 pm EST 03/08/19 | |
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| I agree with you about the look of the scene in the film. It's just the way the material is written that's problematic. | |
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