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| Posted by: NewtonUK 07:57 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware - AlanScott 01:04 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| ... nor did R&H or Riggs intend for there to be a homo-erotic scene between Jud and Curley, nor did they intend for Jud to have a scene where Laurey performs oral sex on him - the latter being the moment that many are in denial of (though some on this site understood it as clearly as I did. Its, like, pretty hard to miss). I have seen a lot of Mr Fish's work over the years, and the one theme that runs thru all of it is that we are intended to spend every moment in the theatre thinking of Mr Fish. Why does Laurey scowl from the opening of the show? Why she is unhappy and unpleasant? Why does she scream out all of her music. What is that god awful stomping dance routine that starts act 2 (the original dream ballet - not nightmare - ended Act 1. It was a highlight.) There are some engaging performances in this revival of OKLAHOMA to be sure. But much of it is a mess, lost in the mess of Mr Fish's mind. IMHO. |
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| Your mind is in the gutter | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 11:47 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 11:46 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware - NewtonUK 07:57 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| And I usually like that. At most it is a hand job and uncompleted. There is no indication she was on her knees. One lady in the audience complained that judd wasn’t menacing in stature like previous productions, but I actually liked that jud is more threatening in what he says than his looks which is actually more deceiving as an potential rapist. And I could see Laurie kind of wanting the cute bad boy instead of the usual unattractive lug. Also, i did not feel the smoke house scene as homoerotic but more menacing threats behind the words spoken. I never once thought curly and jud were going to get it on. |
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| re: Your mind is in the gutter | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 02:13 pm EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: Your mind is in the gutter - dramedy 11:46 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| "There is no indication she was on her knees. " True, but for what it's worth, there's also no indication that she wasn't on her knees :-) As you know, that scene takes place in complete darkness, and when the lights come up, we see Jud doing up his pants. Laurey is standing at that point, but that doesn't mean she was standing during the sex act. As I remember it, the sounds we here in the darkness are inconclusive, sounding like heavy making out or.....something else. |
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| re: Your mind is in the gutter | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 02:23 pm EDT 06/20/19 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:23 pm EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Your mind is in the gutter - Michael_Portantiere 02:13 pm EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| I think it’s kissing and jerking. Laurie is as pure as the driven sandstorm during the dust bowl—oops, different era. | |
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| re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware | |
| Posted by: showtunesoprano 11:09 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware - NewtonUK 07:57 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| When on earth does Laurey perform oral sex on Jud? Are you talking about their scene in the dark? They were kissing, and then you hear his belt getting unbuckled, but then she immediately breaks it off and the lights come back on. We see him buckling his belt back up, yes, but it had only been open for a second. | |
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| re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 02:24 pm EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware - showtunesoprano 11:09 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| I think what we hear, and what we see when the lights come back up, is inconclusive. But I also think what exactly happens in the dark doesn't really matter, because even it it's just deep kissing, there is no way that the character of Laurey as written by the creators of the show would ever have willingly participated in any kind of making love with Jud Fry. And for her to do so doesn't even make sense for the character as reconceived, let alone for the character as originally conceived. | |
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| re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:28 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
| In reply to: re: My opinion—- Spoilers! Beware - NewtonUK 07:57 am EDT 06/20/19 | |
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| NewtonUK, I agree with every word you wrote -- so much so that I literally had to re-read the ID twice to make sure it wasn't me who had written the post :-) I, too, think it's extremely weird how so many people are in denial about the sex scene between Laurey and Jud. And I am also amazed that so many people either somehow failed to notice, or weren't at all bothered by, the fact that Laurey is SO mean, nasty, and unpleasant towards Curley throughout the long first scene of the show that it seems clear she REALLY hates him, does not want him around, and DOES NOT want to go to the box social with him. Oh, and Aunt Eller is scarcely any warmer towards Curley, so why he doesn't just call it a day and exit after the reception he gets for "Oh, What a Beautiful Mornin'" is beyond me. As for your comment I have seen a lot of Mr Fish's work over the years, and the one theme that runs thru all of it is that we are intended to spend every moment in the theatre thinking of Mr Fish" -- this OKLAHOMA! is my first experience of his work, but I certainly agree on the basis of what he has done to this show. |
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