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| Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Wow. It took this guy this long to come up with this angle? No, Kyle. No. | |
| Link | Fosse/Verdon according to some dude. |
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| Minority view | |
| Last Edit: StanS 03:22 pm EDT 06/24/19 | |
| Posted by: StanS 03:21 pm EDT 06/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| While I disagree with this writer's views overall, and especially his view on Verdon herself, I must admit that I also found Williams annoying, more and more so as the series progressed. By the last two episodes, I could barely listen to her speak, with---that---- really----- s l o w and emphatic delivery of almost every line. Actually both leads annoyed me. I never realized what a great performance Roy Scheider gave in All That Jazz until I had this to compare it to. | |
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| About the reviewer Kyle Smith | |
| Posted by: Whistler 02:13 am EDT 06/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| From his Wikipedia site: A writer in Entertainment Weekly described Smith's film-reviewing style "an exercise in hilarious hostility." He has been dubbed "America's most cantankerous film critic" by The Atlantic magazine. So he seems to enjoy being a fool, and he's old enough and well educated enough to know what irritates people: 53 and a Yale grad. Obviously, the best thing to do, as suggested below, is ignore him. |
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| He's right about one thing... | |
| Posted by: dczoo 05:01 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| "Verdon is going to win (Michelle Williams) every award short of the Nobel Peace Prize." I certainly hope so! | |
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| re: He's right about one thing... | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:02 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: He's right about one thing... - dczoo 05:01 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| I think she more than earned it, but if she's up against Amy Adam's, that's going to be hard fought. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 12:03 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 12:01 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| It's appropriate that he does like the #Ivanka angle of the show where Nicole becomes a shareholder in the family story. I'm perfectly ready for more #MeToo takes on everything. I was thinking I'd love to see a good stage revival of GREASE. The film's focus on the wonderful (at that time) Travolta feels like it overrode what was mainly a story about Sandy. But good to see that some publications are still employing critics and giving them ample space to write, I guess The National Reivew needs them to combat what they see as a culture war waged against them. |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:56 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - singleticket 12:01 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| The spin in this piece is of course transparent but I feel the need to point out that all arts criticism is driven by politics because all art is driven by politics. (50s TV sitcoms were driven by politics, even when the design was to eschew politics. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 01:27 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - ryhog 12:56 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| all art is driven by politics Cultural Marxist! |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 01:45 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - singleticket 01:27 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| A perfect label, at least from the perspective of a cultural fascist :-) | |
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| Marxist-Fascist | |
| Posted by: tmdonahue (tmdonahue@yahoo.com) 02:43 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - ryhog 01:45 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Oh, come on. | |
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| And here we are, giving him extra clicks | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:21 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Sometimes, the wiser course of action is not to share. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: StageDoorJohnny 11:12 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - keywslt 10:35 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| brother, did he not get it, in any way, shape, or form | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: Ned3301 12:19 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - StageDoorJohnny 11:12 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Gwen Verdon "a second-tier hoofer"? She is universally regarded as one of the four or five greatest dancers in the musical's history. The problem here is that the piece is driven by politics rather than by arts criticism. This writer needs to discredit the #MeToo movement, so everything he says is led by a narrative. You could argue that the narrative itself is right or wrong, but it doesn't apply to Verdon, especially given the extraordinarily collaborative relationship she and Fosse maintained. His infidelities eventually did lead her to slip away from what had become a sham marriage--but she did not divorce him, and they remained very, very close. You cannot willingly walk away from the partner who understands you as deeply as Fosse did Verdon (and Verdon did Fosse), and that is what matters, not this ridiculous attempt to reinvent the saga of these two artists by trying to unfasten one of them from her own history. |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: Sam890 04:46 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - Ned3301 12:19 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| I stopped reading at "Verdon, a second-tier hoofer and actress whom nobody would be thinking about, much less making a series about, if she hadn’t been married to Fosse.". Anyone who makes such a claim clearly has no idea what they're talking about and isn't worth wasting time on. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
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| Posted by: showusyourtalent 03:04 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - Sam890 04:46 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Indeed. Gwen was Broadway royalty. There is no yin without a yang. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: pagates 09:01 am EDT 06/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - Sam890 04:46 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Exactly. | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: huskyital (huskyital@yahoo.com) 01:05 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - Ned3301 12:19 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| I agree with Ned.....Gwen Verdon was a spectacular dancer and Michelle Williams' performance was extraordinary.....From the picture of the idiot who wrote this article he probably wasn't even born before Gwen died and obviously he is more into film than theater......aren't there any editors left who would have nixed this article? | |
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| re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 | |
| Posted by: mermaniac 01:42 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - huskyital 01:05 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Any cretin who does such a hatchet job to pillory one of the greatest legends in musical theater deserves to be ------------- fill in your own punishment. I don't want to risk being blacklisted for suggesting punishment for someone who really deserves it. Opinion is one thing, but denying the legacy of someone who spent her whole life entertaining us is something else entirely. | |
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| National Review is a right-wing rag | |
| Posted by: VEG 11:20 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Fosse/Verdon review at The National Review 6/21/19 - StageDoorJohnny 11:12 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| So the reviewer's take on Fosse/Verdon is a totally reactionary take down of the #MeToo movement. What is most offensive is the reviewer's dismissal of the great Gwen Verdon's legacy. But as most woke people are aware, the right wing has nothing but contempt for women, LGBTQ+ people, people of color and poor people. If you ain't a rich white man you are nothing. From William F. Buckley who founded it, to Donald Trump, accused just yesterday of more sexual assaults, some things never change. | |
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| re: National Review is a right-wing rag | |
| Posted by: mermaniac 01:43 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: National Review is a right-wing rag - VEG 11:20 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| BRAVO, VEG !!! | |
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| re: National Review is a right-wing rag | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 12:23 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: National Review is a right-wing rag - VEG 11:20 am EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| I couldn't agree more -- not even worth lining the bottom of a birdcage. | |
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| re: National Review is a right-wing rag | |
| Posted by: mermaniac 01:43 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: National Review is a right-wing rag - Pokernight 12:23 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Yes, my people ! Light the torches !!! | |
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| Does anyone know how I can stream this? n/m | |
| Posted by: Dawson 01:52 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: National Review is a right-wing rag - mermaniac 01:43 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| re: Does anyone know how I can stream this? n/m | |
| Posted by: dczoo 04:51 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Does anyone know how I can stream this? n/m - Dawson 01:52 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| If you have cable and your subscription includes FX, you can stream all eight episodes for free On Demand at FX. I just watched the whole thing over the past two evenings. | |
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| Thanks! :-) n/m | |
| Posted by: Dawson 05:34 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Does anyone know how I can stream this? n/m - dczoo 04:51 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| It's not in Best Plays? | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:16 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: Does anyone know how I can stream this? n/m - Dawson 01:52 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Honestly, I don't know what you want to stream. But Fosse/Verdon is on Amazon, YouTube, and Google Play, I believe. The article is linked in the first post of this thread. |
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| re: It's not in Best Plays? | |
| Posted by: Dawson 02:44 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
| In reply to: It's not in Best Plays? - Ann 02:16 pm EDT 06/22/19 | |
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| Yep, I want to stream Fosse/Verdon Best Plays is pre-streaming, unfortunately. I did find the series in Amazon Prime--for $14.99! Not in my budget. :-( Maybe Best Plays will put out an updated streaming edition... Calling Burns Mantle! :-) |
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