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| Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Update: Ariana Grande won't be going to 'The Prom' | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 07:54 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Billboard now reports that despite earlier reports, it has confirmed that Ariana will NOT be in ''The Prom,'' due to her touring schedule. (When it was officially announced that Ryan Murphy would be turning ''The Prom'' into a movie for Netflix, I guess I assumed they'd be filming the original Broadway cast - just like he was doing for the recent ''Boys in the Band.'' Has anyone seen any reactions from the Broadway ''Prom'' cast?) |
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| Meantime, life doesn't imitate art: LGBT prom canceled in Florida | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:39 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Link | Jacksonville.com: Library cancels soldout Pride Prom, says it can't provide adequate safety |
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| Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 01:10 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Link | Dear Ryan Murphy: It's Time to Do Better |
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| I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:20 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Blog on the casting of James Corden - Ncassidine 01:10 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Jesus Christ. The whole joy of acting is to take on a character who is different than you. I would hate to be limited to gay roles and I have no problem with straight people telling gay stories. I’m happy when our straight allies are comfortable enough with their own sexuality to take on a gay role. | |
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| re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:39 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. - KingSpeed 08:20 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| But there are SOOOOOOOOOO many straight characters, and relatively few openly gay characters. And the reality is that a lot of openly gay actors are not given the chance to play straight characters, and there are certainly some who, incredible actors as they are, aren't going to pass in a movie as straight. So why not, at this point in time, give a chance to an out gay actor to play an out gay person especially on a global stage in a high profile film? It's not WRONG for him to cast a straight person like Corden, but it's a sad and ENORMOUS missed opportunity for Murphy to support and expose a gay actor, and a potentially life-changing opportunity that has not been given to a gay actor (already famous or relatively unknown, like Brooks himself). |
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| re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayMarley 09:12 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. - Chazwaza 08:39 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I can understand yo point about the casting for the Prom. But to suggest that some gay actors can't pass as straight seems besides the point. There are so many gay actors who can and have. Whether you consider Rock Hudson, Tyrone Power, etc. in the movies. Nathan Lane was wonderful in the Iceman Cometh. Matt Bomer on White Collar. There are just so many more to mention... too many to mention here. Perhaps for those who can't pass as straight, it's more a question of the range of their acting talent than their sexual orientation. | |
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| re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:54 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. - BroadwayMarley 09:12 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| The reason I mention the case of the non-straight-passing gay actor is because this role is for a rather flamboyant or "recognizably gay" character. Why not let a gay actor who doesn't "pass" have a chance at one of the characters they CAN succeed in? Maybe this is a pointless thought and argument... either way, when no one these days is supposedly allowed to write a story that isn't theirs or play a role they didn't live, why is one of the few lead gay characters being given to a straight actor? Again it's not that it's WRONG it's a question of why? Was there no gay actor, famous or not famous, who could do it? Because casting a straight actor is almost like saying that. And we obviously know that isn't true. | |
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| Tony winner Billy Porter is pretty outspoken on this topic | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:28 am EDT 06/26/19 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. - Chazwaza 09:54 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| In a recent Hollywood Reporter roundtable, the out and outspoken Billy Porter expressed how ''enraging'' it is when straight actors are habitually cast and honored for playing gay roles, when the opposite rarely happens. "If 'flamboyant' wasn't in the description of the character, no one would see me, ever, for anything, which wouldn't be so enraging if it went the other direction, but it doesn't," said Porter. "Because straight men playing gay, everybody wants to give them an award: 'Thank you for gracing us with your straight presence.' That gets tiresome. So here I sit, I can't get the gay parts, I can't get the straight parts." That was ballsy of Porter to call out the inequality of opportunities, especially when Porter was sharing a roundtable with Hugh Grant and Richard Madden. The two of them had won recent acclaim for portraying LGBT characters, respectively: Jeremy Thorpe, a closeted politician in ''A Very British Scandal,'' and John Reid, Elton John's ex-manager and lover in ''Rocketman.'' Porter said he almost threw in the towel on acting until he got word to audition for a new TV show, co-produced by … Ryan Murphy. Porter didn't get the part he went in for, but convinced them he'd be right for ''Pose,'' and so another role was created for him: Pray Tell. Even though it's not a level playing field, it just goes to show that sometimes it pays off to speak out. |
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| Link | The Advocate: Billy Porter Tells Straight Actors How 'Enraging' Their Gay Casting Is (includes video) |
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| exactly | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:24 am EDT 06/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Tony winner Billy Porter is pretty outspoken on this topic - WaymanWong 12:28 am EDT 06/26/19 | |
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| thank you Billy! | |
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| re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:16 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: I’m an openly gay professional actor who has played gay & straight roles and I’m 100% against what this guy is saying. - Chazwaza 09:54 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Always worth asking the question: who would you have cast? And is it ever specified the orientation of the Sieber/Rannels role? |
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| re: Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: TGWW 02:50 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Blog on the casting of James Corden - Ncassidine 01:10 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Everyone has to bitch about something. | |
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| re: Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: Ann 03:58 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Blog on the casting of James Corden - TGWW 02:50 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Are you bitching? | |
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| Love Ryan Murphy's hiring practices, usually. | |
| Posted by: Genealley 02:27 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Blog on the casting of James Corden - Ncassidine 01:10 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| But this is really a slap in the face. Especially when Ashmanskas is SO perfect! |
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| re: Love Ryan Murphy's hiring practices, usually. | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 12:47 am EDT 06/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Love Ryan Murphy's hiring practices, usually. - Genealley 02:27 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| What's ironic is that Murphy has such a laudable record of being a champion of diversity and inclusivity with his various projects. ''Pose,'' which just kicked off its 2nd season on FX, is a groundbreaking showcase for trans performers. And he launched the Half Initiative to create more opportunities for women and people of color behind the camera. |
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| re: Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: Ann 01:27 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Blog on the casting of James Corden - Ncassidine 01:10 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Very good points. | |
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| re: Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: StageDoorJohnny 11:09 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Blog on the casting of James Corden - Ann 01:27 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| It's not like they cast Dwayne Johnson or Jason Momoa for Pete's sake, Corden will be fine. Are we going to have to start casting only Irish-American Dolly Gallagher Levis, or Ukranian Jews for Tevye? Where does the pigeon holing of actors into only playing their ethnicity, gender, sexuality, etc., stop? |
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| re: Blog on the casting of James Corden | |
| Posted by: Ann 09:15 am EDT 06/26/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Blog on the casting of James Corden - StageDoorJohnny 11:09 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I think it stops when the playing field is even -- I don't think it is. There are plenty of good reasons in the blog and in this thread that are better than I can articulate, but if you think it doesn't matter, you think it doesn't matter. I don't get your first comment - Corden is more acceptable acting as a gay man than the other two? |
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| Wait - Angie's character is named "Angie Dickinson"? | |
| Posted by: TimDunleavy 10:43 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Is that actually mentioned in the show and I missed it/forgot it? I agree with student_rush's comments about Brooks A. and Michael Potts. Aside from that, I'll withhold comment and wish everyone luck. Glad this wonderful show will be getting a LOT more exposure. |
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| re: Wait - Angie's character is named "Angie Dickinson"? | |
| Posted by: MeredithChandler1973 11:41 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Wait - Angie's character is named "Angie Dickinson"? - TimDunleavy 10:43 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| When the Broadway actors go to the hotel, "Four rooms under 'Dickinson' - I called yesterday." That's the only time we hear the last name. Fun little Easter egg of a joke. |
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| Brilliant. Thanks! n/m | |
| Posted by: TimDunleavy 01:41 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Wait - Angie's character is named "Angie Dickinson"? - MeredithChandler1973 11:41 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| re: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom | |
| Posted by: student_rush 10:28 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I think Kidman and Rannells are inspired casting. I was hoping, naively perhaps, that they'd keep Brooks - he is the heart and soul of that production, as well as giving a comic tour-de-force performance. Also, keep Michael Potts! He has plenty of screen experience and is closer in age to Meryl than (also talented) Keegan Michael Key. I was surprised that Casey Nicholaw seems to have almost no involvement in this film - a radical departure in production from Murphy's "keep everyone and everything" film plans for "Boys in the Band." |
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| Agree | |
| Posted by: Ann 10:46 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I hope many people see this and love it (it is a super-starry cast), but ... (yes, I'm pre-judging) it will not be the same, especially Corden. And, yes, on Nicholaw, too. | |
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| i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:13 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Meryl Streep, James Corden, Ariana Grande, Nicole Kidman in Netflix's The Prom - Ncassidine 09:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Her name is the only one that isn’t a hotlink in the article. | |
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| I had different ideas about casting.. | |
| Posted by: Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. - dramedy 10:13 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I thought the Angie Schworer role would be ideal for Jane Krakowski - Broadway gypsy of a certain age. I also thought that the Brooks Ashmanskas role of Barry Glickman had Nathan Lane written all over it. I thought he would be the first choice if it was filmed. As for Dee Dee Allen - doesn't the part require a stronger voice than what Meryl can provide even with autotune and reverb? Of course, Liza Minnelli is far beyond the point where she could do the role. (Is Liza retired from performing?) I don't know who could do the part nowadays other than Beth Leavel. Does the press release mention who would play Emma? I think Ariana Grande would be Alyssa. Marlo Manners (Lady Barrington) |
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| re: I had different ideas about casting.. | |
| Posted by: SamIAm 03:29 pm EDT 06/27/19 | |
| In reply to: I had different ideas about casting.. - Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Agree with your remarks. I might also point out that Kidman was supposed to e in the Producers Film as Ulla and that did not happen. Not sure about singing or dubbing | |
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| re: I had different ideas about casting.. | |
| Posted by: Drew288 05:52 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: I had different ideas about casting.. - Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I think Midler in the Leavel part would have been pretty awesome. | |
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| re: I had different ideas about casting.. | |
| Posted by: MeredithChandler1973 11:46 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: I had different ideas about casting.. - Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I thought Jane Krakowski would have been ideal for Angie, too. The only suggestion I had heard from Dee Dee that I semi-liked was Megan Mullally. But honestly, I adore Beth Leavel as Dee Dee and I don't know if I would be truly happy with anyone else in that role. | |
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| re: I had different ideas about casting.. | |
| Posted by: mamaleh 11:02 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: I had different ideas about casting.. - Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Yes, I was hoping against hope for Beth Leavel, too. And of course Brooks Ashmanskas. But I'm a realist about the exigencies of drawing big numbers, and I'm sure most of America would have wondered "who?" at Leavel and Ashmanskas. Still, a pity. | |
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| my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:59 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: I had different ideas about casting.. - Marlo*Manners 10:54 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| With big name movie stars. Lane and krakowski would be perfect for the parts but have little known in movie world. Oddly Jane probably has more recognition with tv shows and matchgame than Nathan. | |
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| Prestige? Has anyone seen or read this show? It's a Y.A. TV Movie Musical on stage... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 08:44 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - dramedy 10:59 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| There is literally nothing prestigious or even especially high quality about this show except the subject matter at the heart of it and even then, not entirely because it deals with it in the most basic of ways really. I enjoyed it for the most part, and I really liked a good amount of the score, but I wouldn't say it's a "good" musical writing-wise, nowhere near great, and prestige is not something it seems to lend itself to. In fact I think the material will not look good under the heavy weight of such an A-list cast that would, in theory, lead audiences to think it is a level that this show is not. |
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| re: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie | |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:05 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - dramedy 10:59 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| I would've thought Nathan Lane would be a big-enough name. He's a Golden Globe nominee for ''The Birdcage'' and a 6-time Emmy nominee. | |
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| re: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 11:26 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - dramedy 10:59 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| But a lot of people are going to watch this on Netflix at home so TV stars aren’t a problem. | |
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| Netflix has movie theater releases | |
| Posted by: dramedy 12:22 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - lowwriter 11:26 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Bird box and outlaw king. | |
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| re: Netflix has movie theater releases | |
| Last Edit: Ann 12:50 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| Posted by: Ann 12:46 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Netflix has movie theater releases - dramedy 12:22 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| As MockingbirdGirl said, Bird Box was in movie theatres for a week before hitting Netfix/TV and from a quick look, it seems Outlaw King only did festivals before Netflix/TV. | |
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| Well... | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 12:40 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Netflix has movie theater releases - dramedy 12:22 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| ... Bird Box was in limited release in cinemas for a week prior to the Netflix premiere to gin up interest and qualify it for awards consideration. It was never positioned as a serious box office contender. | |
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| re: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 11:05 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - dramedy 10:59 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| It's weird, because shows like Marvelous Mrs. Maisel (Amazon Prime) and plenty of other shows/movies have become huge hits with no big stars at all. | |
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| Series is different than a movie | |
| Posted by: dramedy 11:10 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: my guess is Netflix wanted a prestige movie - Ncassidine 11:05 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| A series gets a following. My guess is that Netflix wants to release in movie houses like bird box for possible award recognition. | |
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| re: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. | |
| Posted by: Ann 10:47 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. - dramedy 10:13 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Yes, who ever heard of her? :) Hope she has the legs for it. |
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| re: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. | |
| Posted by: Thom915 11:48 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. - Ann 10:47 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Thank you Ann for that. Everyone turned to see what I laughed out load at. I must say though I disagree that Nathan Lane is not a name. Thanks to his roles in Birdcage and The Producers, one a niche film and the other a huge Broadway mega hit due to him, he most certainly is a recognizable name, likely on a par with Corden. | |
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| re: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 03:32 pm EDT 06/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i hope that newbie Nicole Kidman Can do it. - Thom915 11:48 am EDT 06/25/19 | |
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| Wasn't Kidman supposed to do "The Producers" film before Uma came on board? | |
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