Threaded Order Chronological Order
| ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:19 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Link | BroadwayWorld: Broadway Fires Back at Lara Spencer for Laughing at Boys Taking Ballet on 'Good Morning America' |
| reply to this message | |
| You know something else beyond reinforcing gay stereotypes-ARTS IN SCHOOLS | |
| Posted by: jero 06:59 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| School districts all over the country do study after study and conclude kids involved in the arts are higher achievers. Some school boards need to speak out too. | |
| reply to this message |
| Update: Lara Spencer is 'horrified'; will apologize to dancers on 'GMA' | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:21 pm EDT 08/25/19 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:17 pm EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Travis Wall, the Emmy-winning choreographer of ''So You Think You Can Dance,'' says: ''So Lara Spencer just called me on my cell phone, she got my number from Debbie Allen, and she is completely horrified and just truly just issued this massive apology,” Wall, 31, told his followers on Saturday night. “I could just hear the horror in her voice.'' Wall adds: “She knows there’s a bunch of us, Broadway and a lot of the ballet community here in New York City, we’re going to 'Good Morning America' on Monday morning and taking ballet classes outside. So she’s aware of it, and she wants to talk to all of us, and she wants to set this thing straight and right. So the dance community is incredible and our voices were heard, which is fantastic. Hooray!” | |
| Link | People.com: Lara Spencer Is 'Horrified' After Mocking Prince George's Ballet Class, Says Dancer Travis Wall |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| re: Update: Lara Spencer is 'horrified'; will apologize to dancers on 'GMA' | |
| Posted by: jconnors 08:52 am EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Update: Lara Spencer is 'horrified'; will apologize to dancers on 'GMA' - WaymanWong 04:17 pm EDT 08/25/19 | |
|
|
|
| It was a nice segment ,and I believe that she recognizes the problematic nature of her original carelessness. I hope it gives pause to more people in prominent positions about the comments they make that might unintentionally reinforce outdated stereotypes. Good on her (and GMA) for addressing this beyond the defacto apology. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Broadway offers bravos as Spencer admits: 'I screwed up' | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:47 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Update: Lara Spencer is 'horrified'; will apologize to dancers on 'GMA' - jconnors 08:52 am EDT 08/26/19 | |
|
|
|
| Link | BroadwayWorld.com: Broadway Reacts to Lara Spencer's Apology |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| Spencer speaks to Travis Wall, Robbie Fairchild & Fabrice Calmels | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 02:55 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Broadway offers bravos as Spencer admits: 'I screwed up' - WaymanWong 02:47 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
|
|
|
| Link | Lara Spencer Apologizes for Her Comments About Boys and Dance (complete segment) |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| re: Spencer speaks to Travis Wall, Robbie Fairchild & Fabrice Calmels | |
| Posted by: ashleylm 03:17 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Spencer speaks to Travis Wall, Robbie Fairchild & Fabrice Calmels - WaymanWong 02:55 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
|
|
|
| Didn't love the Instagram apology (it seemed glib), but I enjoyed this. She seemed very clear that she was at fault (none of that "well, sorry if you got offended" crap), and the show set aside time to feature three male dancers. (Wished we'd seen them dance, though!) | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| NYT dance critic Gia Kourlas weighs in | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:39 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Link | Hey, Lara Spencer, Ballet Is for Boys |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| A 12-year-old Tom Holland teaches boys the joys of dancing | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:07 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:04 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: NYT dance critic Gia Kourlas weighs in - MockingbirdGirl 10:39 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| The British show ''The Feelgood Factor'' once featured three child stars from ''Billy Elliot'' in the West End, and one of them was a then-12-year-old Tom Holland. The TV show then had Holland work with a group of schoolboys, and they later performed a version of the ''Angry Dance'' from the musical. As an adult, Holland told People magazine: ''I had my rough patches. There were times I was bullied about dancing and stuff. But you couldn't hit me hard enough to stop me from doing it." And he got the last laugh. Holland says his physical agility as a dancer & gymnast is what landed him the marvelous movie role of Spider-Man. | |
| Link | Tom Holland (at age 12) as Billy Elliot |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| re: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back | |
| Posted by: Ballerina56 05:08 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| She's truly despicable. I was outraged by her comments--but even more so of her unmitigated glee in expressing them. There's a petition circulating if anyone is interested. |
|
| Link | Good Morning America Should Amplify the Benefits of Dance for Young Men |
| reply to this message | reply to first message | |
| despicable? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 09:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - Ballerina56 05:08 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| What’s the big deal here? She apologized right away. People need to relax on this one. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| "People need to relax..." | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:47 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: despicable? - KingSpeed 09:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Tone policing discussions is seldom a useful contribution. Folks are gonna have the responses they have. Being told to "relax," "get a grip," or my personal favorite (not) "breathe" presume an almost cosmic understanding of human behavior. We all take offense now and then. We are allowed. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: despicable? - KingSpeed 09:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| First of all it seems her apology was not on air--at least not yet. The "big deal" is that her comments already did damage. Not everyone who saw it or heard about it is necessarily going to find out--or care--about the apology. If there's anything that gets me riled up it's people saying "you have to relax," especially when they don't understand--or act like they don't--what the "big deal" IS. NO one who was offended--which the overwhelming majority of posters here were--has stated that her comments were the worst thing that ever happened. But they WERE bullying--especially towards a child--and playing into the worst prejudices. Furthermore, why was it even necessary to talk about Prince George's classes in the first place? Unless the slant was going to be totally different, this was just TV filler garbage that was asking for trouble. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| "The 'big deal' is that her comments already did damage. Not everyone who saw it or heard about it is necessarily going to find out--or care--about the apology." Yes. And also, her apology was insincere -- not something she really feels, but something she felt it necessary to say in order to try to save her job. Her apology was, "From ballet to anything one wants to explore in life, I say GO FOR IT. I fully believe we should all be free to pursue our passions." But if she truly believed that there's nothing wrong or funny or "gay" about a boy taking ballet class, she wouldn't have made that face, laughed, and then followed up with that ridiculous comment in the first place. So, her "apology" is a lie. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:32 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I agree with you Michael, I get tired of people (often politicians) saying stupid, hurtful things and then, when caught out, offering an insincere apology expecting us all to forgive and forget. It seems many (including many on this board) think a kneejerk apology completely absolves a person from wrongdoing. I don't agree. If someone punches you in the face then says sorry, your face is still going to hurt. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| A lie? Come on, Michael, you're presuming a lot here. I thought the apology was perfectly acceptable. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: lowwriter 08:14 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| She apologized on Instagram which isn’t enough. She should apologize on the TV show. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 10:38 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| why would a media professional attack a kid in the first place? let's start there. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed | |
| Posted by: waterfall 11:02 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed - manchurch03104 10:38 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| This is what I've been saying. It really doesn't matter why they were laughing at the young prince - it's enough that adults were laughing at a child. Who does that? Kids should be off-limits. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:02 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| KingSpeed, if someone were being interviewed about gender roles and I said, "I really don't feel it's appropriate for women to direct Broadway shows or run companies, because they don't have the leadership for it," and then I "apologized" by saying, "Sorry, my remark was insensitive, I don't really feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, whatever you want to do, GO FOR IT" -- would you accept that apology? Of course not. The only sincere apology in that case would be, "I am sorry that stereotypical gender roles have been so ingrained in me that I made a terribly offensive remark. I will work to re-wire my brain and move beyond my conception of stereotypical roles." Do you see the difference? People shouldn't apologize by lying about their true feelings. Rather, they should admit that some of their feelings and beliefs are wrong and hurtful and ignorant, and they should apologize for THAT and then work to overcome those feelings. That's the kind of apology I, for one, would accept. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:06 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m - reed23 04:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| If you "totally agree" with KingSpeed on this, please read my post above and then please explain to me what's wrong with my logic. I'm honestly interested in what you have to say about that. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I saw the replay of her comments. She, along with the other chuckling jokers surrounding her, were thoughtless and stupid. To me, that doesn’t equal bullying. If that is the worst the little royal child hears in his life he will be lucky. People say thoughtless things. And sometimes they apologize. Gracious folks accept their apologies. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 09:31 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| In July 2019, photos were publicised showing Spencer allegedly throwing food out of her kitchen window into her neighbours property. Spencer publicly denied this and said she was simply feeding the birds.[7] Nu? |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| This is not about the prince. His parents will nurture him no matter what and his family will provide him with everything available in his earthly kingdom. What this is about is the reinforcement of a stigma that does indeed hurt other less fortunate kids, who learn, even on television networks that are not expected to be odious, that what appeals to them is something that gets laughed at. Yes, that's bullying. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 10:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Thoughtless people reinforce stereotypes. They are called out for it. They apologize. It is a teachable moment. The fools at ABC may have learned something. I’m not accepting your definition. I know very well what it’s like to be teased and I know what it’s like to be bullied. In my mind she is a joking idiot, a thoughtless clod, not a bully. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Last Edit: ryhog 11:40 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Suppose I said that it licenses bullying? Would you accept that? An 8 year old is watching GMA with his father. The father's dream is that his kid becomes the captain of the high school football team. The son wants to be a choreographer when he grows up. The attitude conveyed in the media becomes dad's (bullying) sword. Scripted and mandated apologies are not teachable moments for that kid. How does ABC make it into an effective and meaningful teachable moment, and will they step up? The dynamic here is very real, not something theoretical, and I agree with Michael's comment below that we shouldn't get hung up on semantics that obscure that. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| What 8 year old watches GMA with his father? | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| plenty, but of course it does not matter. Millions of people were watching, and tv is their teacher. The rest of what I would write here in a lengthy post has already been covered memorably by Marshall McLuhan. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| LOL. I watched it quietly and ashamed in the silence of my lonely room. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 11:50 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| There is so much more out there , things that kids actually watch again and again. Movies and skits and endless commercials that reinforce gender stereotypes. Watch a couple of episodes of “Friends” again. How about “Superbad”. That was made FOR kids. I can’t get worked up over a thoughtless comment on a morning talk show. There are many more important battles to fight. But fine, take her down and feel you’ve accomplished something. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:11 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:50 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| "There is so much more out there , things that kids actually watch again and again. Movies and skits and endless commercials that reinforce gender stereotypes. Watch a couple of episodes of “Friends” again. How about “Superbad”. That was made FOR kids. I can’t get worked up over a thoughtless comment on a morning talk show. There are many more important battles to fight. But fine, take her down and feel you’ve accomplished something." I do see your point, but one could argue that Lara Spencer's comment was just as bad as "Superbad," etc. in its own way, because the comment was made in the context of a news/talk show discussion among supposedly mature and intelligent adults whom one would have thought would have moved way beyond making fun of a young boy because he's taking ballet lessons. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:29 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| "Thoughtless people reinforce stereotypes. They are called out for it. They apologize. It is a teachable moment. The fools at ABC may have learned something. I’m not accepting your definition. I know very well what it’s like to be teased and I know what it’s like to be bullied. In my mind she is a joking idiot, a thoughtless clod, not a bully." I don't see the point in getting hung up over what exactly constitutes "bullying." Her comments, and the reaction of the crowd, were shockingly stupid and harmful -- and one should expect something far better from a highly paid TV "news" person with a huge audience. That definitely includes George Stephanopoulos, whom I will never forget being called out by Ewan McGregor years ago for his childish, idiotic, immature laughter during the discussion of some gay content in one of McGregor's movies. That one seems to have some VERY SERIOUS issues when it comes to homosexuality. I wonder what that's all about???? |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:29 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I’ve heard enough blather from these morning folks not to be as shocked as you seem to be. They reflect the asinine views of a vast part of their audience. That’s why they are so popular. If it now becomes impossible to apologize for ones remarks without then being called a liar, then what is the future of manners or polite society. Does she have to resign because she made a face? Give up a career because she made a tactless comment? Don’t watch her again. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Thank you, Bill. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:08 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Let the caravan move on..... | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Billhaven, it's not about Michael not watching her (or you, or me). It's about that kid sitting at home with his father (or mother: Spencer could be laughing at her kid at home.) And the fact that you are not shocked (and that the "blather" reinforces a toxic stereotype for a "vast part of the audience" is the PROBLEM, not some excuse that gives everyone a free pass. (BTW, I am not saying everyone who does something like this has to be fired. The true indictment is the culture at ABC that has not short-circuited this sort of behavior as a matter of corporate responsibility. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| Sorry ryhog. I don't know how old you are but I am 53 and I grew up in a world where homophobia- among other ills- was commonplace and acceptable. Sniggering at aspects of gayness was the norm and it didn't necessarily imply virulent prejudice or hatred, just discomfort and unfamiliarity. Hell, if I met a 5-year boy today studying ballet something wry and snarky would spark in my brain and my eyebrow would reflexively rise a smidge. I remember my father flying into a rage when I was watching Rudolf Nureyev on The Muppet Show. (I didn't even care about dance or Nureyev himself; I was just watching the fracking Muppet Show.) Even at the age of ten I could see he was scared and effed up by something he sensed in me (my burgeoning homo-identity) and perhaps something he feared about himself. I'm glad we don't live in an age where such casual, jovial belittling is the norm. But having been reared in it I can't get so upset about a moment that seems pretty minor. Lara Spencer was reared in that same world and a trace of it was revealed. It seems like she's paid her price. If she persists in her mockery, then by all means, ABC: can her and bring back Joan Lunden. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." - portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| I am slightly older than you, and of course it was worse. Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, people have long-ingrained reactions. But people, especially those in positions of responsibility and influence, are obliged to counteract those antiquated markers by training them out of their behavior and speech. I have a friend who grew up in a household in which the n-word was used regularly, without any overt racism attached. Would you excuse her use of it because she was "reared in it"? One more point here: this is not about Lara Spencer. (I barely know who she is, as I long ago stopped watching TV, especially in the morning.) It's about media. The ABC culture is the villain here; she is just one symptom of its toxicity. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| Dick and little Jane better toughen up. It’s a mean world out there. Granny had to learn how to keep up in this fast and brutal world and so will D&J. Good Morning America was not given a free pass, were they?They were called out on their little cracks and smug laughter. But there are countless instances of fully scripted shows, music, videos and games that are toxic. I’m not excusing this behavior, I’m saying it’s a tiny grain on an epic beach. Outrage shouldn’t be wasted on it. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:26 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| Sorry, but this outrage meme is pretty lame. In effect, it denigrates those who are not willing to excuse this behavior. And you ARE excusing it when you say it happens all the time. As you called it, there is a teachable moment here. That works in both directions. All I am saying is let's move in the right direction. Media can be a force for good or bad. Train these pathetic TV hosts. Do it on air. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| The amount of TV "news" that I watch is virtually zero, so you're right about that -- I'm not used to asinine remarks and commentary such as she made. In my opinion, her apology is a lie because, as I said, if it were HONESTLY fine with her for a boy to take ballet lessons, she wouldn't have used that tone of voice and laughed and made that stupid comment about it in the first place. The only apology that would have sounded sincere to me would be something along the lines of, "I deeply regret that outdated ideas about gender roles are so ingrained in me that I made an ignorant and harmful comment about the prince taking ballet lessons." |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: nyc23 09:57 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I intend no disrespect, but who cares what a royal baby does or what a morning television anchor says about it? Maybe I have outrage fatigue. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Last Edit: Marlo*Manners 11:02 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: Marlo*Manners 10:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - nyc23 09:57 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I agree that you don't mock a 6 year-old publicly. Making fun of ballet also is ignorant and redolent of the dumbing down of America that is hitting its apex currently. However, this wasn't quite as personal as I thought it might be from the outrage. The whole segment was on the almost college level curriculum Prince George is facing. They seemed to be laughing at ballet, not so much Prince George loving it and stating that he will grow out of loving ballet. "We'll see how long that lasts" It was classless and uninformed but not quite as cruel, homophobic and bullying as I thought it might have been. Also, GMA has producers and writers who vet the subject matter. Maybe Lara Spencer laughing at it was her choice but it was a group decision to talk about the Prince's curriculum and highlight that he loves ballet. Many people got really upset about online comments about Barron Trump and his odd gestures and affect suggesting he might be on the spectrum. I usually cheer anyone who takes down the Trumps but in the case of Barron I was like "LEAVE HIM ALONE". Children of world leaders often are targeted about their appearance, mannerisms or actions in highly visible public ways that normal children won't ever face. I strongly believe that children of world leaders should be allowed to be normal kids and not subjected to the public ridicule or scrutiny their parents have to deal with as part of their position and job. A six year-old is a six year-old even if his parents are royalty and they are going to be kings. Lara Spencer should apologize but she is already being lambasted and flogged on social media. The GMA producers and writers, however, also need to be censured by the network and the public. Marlo Manners (Lady Barrington) |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - Marlo*Manners 10:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I agree that others are involved, but ultimately Lara Spender has the most visible agency here ... and power. No doubt she could have influenced the language used in that segment and most definitely the tone in which she read the copy. She could have changed either and did not. Is this a major disaster? No, but it is a very visible unforced error. She should know better. The producers should know better. And all of them should have done better. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:50 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| She's a 50-year-old experienced host/journalist, operating from Manhattan, who hosts a show on HGTV (!). She should know better. She should've known better in 1972. The people telling us to calm down and cut Spender slack really are pretending she just left journalism school, or won American Idol, or some damn thing. No. It's 2019. She's on GMA, not handling a local weather spot in South Dakota. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:27 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| "I agree that others are involved, but ultimately Lara Spencer has the most visible agency here ... and power. No doubt she could have influenced the language used in that segment and most definitely the tone in which she read the copy. She could have changed either and did not." You've got it exactly right. Spencer could have listed ballet as one of the things that the young prince would be involved in, but NOT saved it for last in the list as a punch line, not made a face after she said it, and not followwed up with the stupid and nervy comment "We'll see how long that lasts." One of the other things Spencer mentioned on the list was "computer programming." Why didn't she stop after THAT, make a face, and then say "We'll see how long that lasts? Because, in her mind, computer programming is completely "acceptable" for a boy to study, but ballet is not. And yes, it's true that one point of the "report" was to note that George is going to have a very full schedule as a very young child, but that ended up coming off as secondary to the need to make fun of the fact that he's going to be studying ballet. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| She already DID apologize. Like right away. nm | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:42 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - Marlo*Manners 10:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| sa;dkjhdjakshdf | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Well, a day later | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:17 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: She already DID apologize. Like right away. nm - KingSpeed 12:42 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| The segment aired Thursday morning. Her Instagram mea culpa was Friday. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: She already DID apologize. Like right away. nm - KingSpeed 12:42 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| spoken from the perspective of manifest privilege | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:21 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m - reed23 04:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| that's the problem with your drive-by postings in this thread. If you are not outraged, that, I guess, is your prerogative. If you don't get it, pat yourself on the back. But there are children whose lives are scarred by things like this. There are children who kill themselves because of things like this. There are children who get killed by things like that. Want to call it an outrage narrative and try to denigrate people with a conscience? I can't stop you but I can ask you to think about it. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:52 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: spoken from the perspective of manifest privilege - ryhog 11:21 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| Only 15 years ago Dr. Phil drew audience applause instructing parents to take dolls away from a young male child who adored them. The segment burned a hole in my brain because as a self-appointed arbiter of gender expectations, McGraw claimed to be a staunch advocate of responsible parenting: curb those tendencies quickly or your male child will become an adult you don't recognize and society will never accept. It's no stretch to say the giggly, woefully self-absorbed Spencer voiced the same concern, albeit glibly, capriciously. Why, *real* boys don't dance willingly, didn't you hear? Wink wink, ha ha ha! The offense taken was swift and fully earned, and now some want to tone police those of us who were offended. I won't accept it. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:35 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. - Delvino 07:52 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
|
|
|
| There is a surprising (to me) dynamic at play here, centering on how and to what extent we have evolved. On the one hand, we HAVE evolved, in the sense that, today, I do not think any responsible authority would seriously make the statement you attribute to Dr. Phil above. But on the other hand, we still sustain a culture in which what Spencer and her colleagues did at a major media outlet does not automatically blow a fuse. We are not talking about the learned attitudes of individual parents here; we are talking about the conveyed attitudes of powerful media that taints those parents and their children. These are attitudes that lead some kids to kill themselves, and others to live their lives as square pegs in round holes. Many of us have witnessed the evolution, and are not eager to see the genie forced back in the bottle for the current generation of kids. (And for anyone who thinks this is much ado about nothing, watch some of the Broadway dancers' youtube vids in reaction to what happened and get back to me. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:51 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. - ryhog 10:35 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
|
|
|
| "On the one hand, we HAVE evolved, in the sense that, today, I do not think any responsible authority would seriously make the statement you attribute to Dr. Phil above. But on the other hand, we still sustain a culture in which what Spencer and her colleagues did at a major media outlet does not automatically blow a fuse. We are not talking about the learned attitudes of individual parents here; we are talking about the conveyed attitudes of powerful media that taints those parents and their children. These are attitudes that lead some kids to kill themselves, and others to live their lives as square pegs in round holes. Many of us have witnessed the evolution, and are not eager to see the genie forced back in the bottle for the current generation of kids. (And for anyone who thinks this is much ado about nothing, watch some of the Broadway dancers' youtube vids in reaction to what happened and get back to me." Very cogently and thoughtfully worded. Thank you. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m - reed23 04:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| I can only speak for myself, but I suspect many people rejected the apology -- and not "churlishly" -- because she apologized for the wrong thing. AGAIN, Lara Spencer shouldn't have said she doesn't really feel that way about boys taking ballet lessons, she should have admitted that she DOES feel that way, and that she recognizes it's wrong. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - Ballerina56 05:08 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Unclutch your pearls, people. While more than a touch retrograde, Lara Spencer's laughter had as much to do with the cumulative list of all the subjects that the tiny King-in-waiting has on his dance card rather than a specific mockery of ballet. She's joined in merriment by not only George Stephanopulos but by the entire audience behind her. This is such a crystalline example of the internet turning a molehill into a mountain. It's what THE PROM was all about: "celebrities" like Telly Leung leaping into the fray to telegraph their outrage and pique. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Last Edit: FlynnFisher 08:26 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| Posted by: FlynnFisher 08:23 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Totally agree, and further.... | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:52 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Unmentioned by the Outrage-Addicted are a few other things in the brouhaha. It was George Stephanopoulos who both started the laughter and laughed hardest and longest. I gather he's getting a free pass and none of the Professionally Affronted are putting out petitions about him or trying to get him fired (to my knowledge as yet.) Spencer also immediately followed his yucking it up by turning to him and the other co-host and addressing them directly: "Well, "I mean, well, he might! He might end up –" (implied: a good ballet dancer.) Then she tracks back for her story punch line: "I mean, with the religious studies, and the computer programming, I just want to go back to the Play-Doh!" But some of those contextual details detract from the Outrage Storyline. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Totally agree, and further.... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:11 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Totally agree, and further.... - reed23 04:52 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| "Unmentioned by the Outrage-Addicted are a few other things in the brouhaha. It was George Stephanopoulos who both started the laughter and laughed hardest and longest. I gather he's getting a free pass and none of the Professionally Affronted are putting out petitions about him or trying to get him fired (to my knowledge as yet.)" Stephanopoulos did not go unmentioned by me, or by some others. See my other posts, if you care to. He seems to have some SERIOUS issues in regard to homophobia. But that doesn't excuse what Spencer said, like for example the way she used "ballet" as a punchline. So I fail to understand what you are getting at. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| So that's the new standard, ist it? | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| No one is allowed to complain unless the wrongdoing is at the level of Hitler or Pol Pot??? right..... | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: So that's the new standard, ist it? | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:26 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: So that's the new standard, ist it? - Sam890 02:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| "You gotta model yourself after somebody." - Woody Allen |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| "While more than a touch retrograde, Lara Spencer's laughter had as much to do with the cumulative list of all the subjects that the tiny King-in-waiting has on his dance card rather than a specific mockery of ballet." No it did not. You have no idea what you're talking about. Her laughter, and the laughter of the audience and the giggling infant George Stephanopoulos, was SPECIFICALLY in response to the mention of the young prince taking ballet lessons. And then this woman felt it necessary to follow up with that idiotic remark, "I have news for you, Prince William, we'll see how long that lasts." What incredible gall she has to imply that she has any freaking idea "how long that lasts." And, as I said in a post above, I don't believe a word of her apology, because if she honestly didn't think there was anything wrong or funny or "gay" about a young boy taking ballet lessons, she wouldn't have made that face or laughed or followed up with that idiotic remark in the first place. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| "You have no idea what you're talking about." Yeah, I do. I watched the video and came to the conclusion stated above. And you have your opinion and you've expressed it luxuriantly. Obviously ABC is not too concerned since they've left the clip up on YouTube. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:41 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 09:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| "I watched the video and came to the conclusion stated above. And you have your opinion and you've expressed it luxuriantly." In my opinion, the conclusion you came to is simply not supported by the clip. If "computer programming" had been the last thing on Lara Spencer's list, do you think she would have made a face, and the audience and George S. would have laughed, and she would have followed with the statement: "Computer programming. I have news for you, we'll see how long that lasts." I would honestly be interested in your answer to this question. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| What does "gay" have to do about it? She didn't say a thing about him being gay. People are projecting that on to this. Also- aren't professional male ballet dancers largely straight anyway? | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| Sorry: did you honestly think she wasn't implying that Prince George would rebel at being forced to participate in something so gay??? I thought was the whole POINT of your pearl clutching! |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 05:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| She didn't have to say it. Historically, a young boy being interested in ballet would be teased: "what's so gay." It has long been a direct association, so that is part of the reason people are reacting strongly to what she said. Why should any young child be teased or discourage for ANY creative interest? | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:26 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - jconnors 05:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
|
|
|
| "She didn't have to say it. Historically, a young boy being interested in ballet would be teased: 'That's so gay.' It has long been a direct association, so that is part of the reason people are reacting strongly to what she said. " Exactly. This level of disingenuousness (is that a word?) in this thread is amazing, and more than a little frightening. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 07:31 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Have some overreacted to what she said? Sure. But if we step back and take a look at it, men have long been ridiculed for going into dance in general, and ballet specifically. In many cases that ridicule came in the form of being called gay. Now jump to today's environment with its increased awareness of—and attention to—bullying in all forms. A women in her position mocking a 6-year-old boy on national television, particularly the heir to the UK throne, is gonna get some justifiable pushback. Bottom line for me is that she played into outdated stereotypes and there was no legitimate need for her to do so. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Thank you for your measured and coherent response to both the "scandal" and my post. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:14 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - jconnors 07:31 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Unfortunately the post I was responding to did have the same degree of sang-froid. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: edinalex 05:49 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I don’t think anybody is suggesting she is up there with Hitler and Pol Pot but her snide remarks and tone are worthy of comment. It’s you who seem to have introduced more hyperbole than the people objecting to her views. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:19 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - edinalex 05:49 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| This is what I was replying to: "She's truly despicable. I was outraged by her comments--but even more so of her unmitigated glee in expressing them. There's a petition circulating if anyone is interested." Posted by Ballerina56. "Truly despicable", "outraged", "unmitigated glee": those words feel pretty hyperbolic given what Lara Spencer said and how she said it. I immediately went to the videotape before I replied. I stand by what I said. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 04:45 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:44 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - WaymanWong 04:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| But I kind of heard it as kids tend to not stick to things. He’s six and likes ballet now but 7 or 8 he’ll be on to something else. So a dad saying his son loves ballet and she wasn’t really putting down ballet for boys. But I can see the other interpretation in the blogs. I hope she doesn’t lose her job over this. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: edinalex 05:04 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: i Did see that yesterday on gma - dramedy 04:44 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Kind of heard? You heard wrong. Her views and insinuations were perfectly clear. If you think it is ok for 50 year old reporter to bully a six year old kid with ridicule, then please reconsider your thoughts. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:27 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - edinalex 05:04 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Oh for Heaven's sake! He's the freaking King Of England. The public pays him and his family millions and millions of pounds a year. Like his father and uncle, he has been left alone more or less in his childhood (at least in his native land). Lara Spencer- as much as she might be a tool- was hardly "bullying a six-year old". Something tells me Prince George does not tune into GMA every lunch hour. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: edinalex 05:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - portenopete 05:27 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Actually he isn’t The King of England. Words have consequences and if you can’t see that, the you are part of the problem. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:53 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - edinalex 05:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Are you talking about my "words" or about Lara Spencer's? Hers weren't really words as much as derisive snorts. As a gay, liberal, Democrat, Elizabeth Warren-loving leftie who has worked in musical theatre for thirty years and counts both gay and straight ballet dancers as some of his bosomest companions, I feel perfectly at peace with describing this "controversy" as ludicrous and feeling that to infer that Lara Spencer should lose her job over it is, at last, a real witch hunt of the nastiest sort. If I were her boss, I'd tell her to lay off the mockery of boys who want to dance. Maybe mention it on air as something she feels bad about saying. Of course, if it hadn't blown up on the internet, nobody would have even known she'd said it. Who the eff watches GMA anymore? Since David Hartman and Joan Lunden left, it's gone steadily downhill. And yes, I am aware that Prince George has not been crowned yet. But thanks for the correction. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| I clearly watch gma | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - portenopete 05:53 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Getting ready for work. Part is the local news before gma has Reggie aqui, who is so fine a gay man to watch in the morning and says some really outrageous stuff. Like this morning there was something about Patrick Page’s wife and he said that her married name is Page Page and then his cohost pointed out they met on beast on broadway. So I watch gma instead of today show. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: Esther 04:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: i Did see that yesterday on gma - dramedy 04:44 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| her last comment re: see how long that lasts certainly certainly points to that, but her ridiculous pronunciation of "ballet" & tone before that line read very differently to me and more in line with the reactions she is getting. Don't care if she gets canned. She was not a pleasant person in my only encounter with her back in her WABC days. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:30 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - Esther 04:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| I'm very curious top know the details of your "only encounter with her back in her WABC days". Just because she's not friendly to people who might accost her on the street or talk to her at a party or at a ball game does not mean she should be fired from her job. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| Did not accost her. Did not even approach her- just observed her. | |
| Last Edit: Esther 05:58 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: Esther 05:56 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - portenopete 05:30 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Worked for a national retailer that had just announced they were going out of business & my assistant manager refused to talk to her on camera, nor allow her to interview anyone else who worked in the store. he was polite, but firm. She essentially laughed in his face & told him he deserved to be fired. Nasty, condescending , etc. Yeah, no love lost for her in my life. I care as much about her job security as she cared about my assistant manager's. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| All fine reasons to dislike her.... | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:21 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Did not accost her. Did not even approach her- just observed her. - Esther 05:56 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| ....but again: not justification for firing her. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: TGWW 05:47 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - portenopete 05:30 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| Well, why don't you skedaddle over to the ABC studio in Times Sq on Monday morning and ask the producers why they reduced her schedule from five days a week to three, six months ago. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:55 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - TGWW 05:47 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| LOL. I can't imagine that it's because she's not a "pleasant" person. Presumably her ratings are slipping. The traditional reason for any kind of demotion or termination. Perfectly legitimate. That is until the most recent years when forty-year comments made when drunk at a party are now being used as reason to lose your career. |
|
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
| re: i Did see that yesterday on gma | |
| Posted by: TGWW 08:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: i Did see that yesterday on gma - portenopete 05:55 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
|
|
|
| OK then. | |
| reply to this message | reply to first message |
Time to render: 0.316281 seconds.