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| Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Last Edit: GabbyGerard 04:48 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 04:43 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Obviously, this is a spectacularly old topic, but I’m listening to the Canadian cast recording now and remembering how much I enjoyed Carroll in the role (even if her live vocals were significantly less confident than they on the album). A favorite detail of mine in particular was actually captured on the recording: in between firing her second and third shots at Joe, she quietly said to herself, “No...” but, of course, kept shooting. When Buckley was brought in to replace Close on Broadway, it signaled to me that they were really trying to make the show the star—but certainly the drop off in ticket sales had to have worried them. I wonder if they considered changing course and bringing in Carroll, who was a significantly bigger name than both Buckley and Paige. Might she have said no and then they went to Paige? Or did they want to avoid reinforcing the notion that the performer playing Norma was the reason to see the show rather than the musical itself? Or did they genuinely think Paige gave the superior performance (which, from a vocal standpoint, I think she did)? Anyone have any insider intel? |
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| Ann Miller desperately wanted to play Norma as well... | |
| Posted by: BillyG 05:55 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - GabbyGerard 04:43 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Teesh 08:32 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - GabbyGerard 04:43 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| In Carroll's autobiography THE LEGS ARE THE LAST TO GO she devotes a chapter to the SUNSET experience, saying Andrew Lloyd Webber was unhelpful in her getting the role in Toronto to the point of being obstructive and she firmly believes he did not want an African American actress playing Norma Desmond. | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:21 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - Teesh 08:32 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "In Carroll's autobiography THE LEGS ARE THE LAST TO GO she devotes a chapter to the SUNSET experience, saying Andrew Lloyd Webber was unhelpful in her getting the role in Toronto to the point of being obstructive and she firmly believes he did not want an African American actress playing Norma Desmond." It could be that he did not want an African American actress in the role, or it could just be another example of his absolutely horrendous record in terms of having no idea what he wants in terms of casting -- see also Patti LuPone and Faye Dunaway in SUNSET, Madonna in the film of Evita |
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| Cher? | |
| Posted by: bobby2 11:12 pm EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - Michael_Portantiere 10:21 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| I've read somewhere (not sure if it was here) that Cher was about to do Toronto but backed out. Someone always insists it was true. That could be his disappointment with Caroll. He thought he was getting a bigger star. I remember Theatreweek or whatever that magazine was got a hold of a list the casting person made for people to replace Close in L.A. It was mostly actresses, stars with little or no musical experience (hence Dunaway.) People like Sally Field. When he was first casting ALW mentioned Liza and Shirley MacLaine as possibilities. Somewhere along the way he seemed to decide to go with singers (Buckley, Paige, Petula Clark) over star names. The star names maybe would have made it more fun to see over and over. Odd how Dunaway's ticket sales were so bad supposedly. Has Rex Smith ever spoken about the show? He must have rehearsed pretty closely with Faye. Odd how they have managed to keep gossip about her performance so quiet all these years. |
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| Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 02:35 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 02:34 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Cher? - bobby2 11:12 pm EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| Was it Frank Rich or David Richards who talked about the vocal demands blocking the casting of ideal candidates like MacLaine? I recall reading that take, how the Norma arias demand the big soaring voices. The Close model -- actor with decent but not stellar singing -- wasn't duplicated as often as people expected. Even Clark still brought a powerful pop instrument in the part. I also read the Cybil Shepard wanted the role desperately. As funny as that sounds, she can sing, and it's not hard to picture her pulling it off. Sally Field, however, mentioned here, makes me giggle. | |
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| Close's voice is much better than "decent but not stellar" | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:38 am EDT 09/03/19 | |
| In reply to: Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. - Delvino 02:34 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| Perhaps it's *inconsistent*, but she has a stellar voice. I will admit I never saw her live in the original run, but in videos and on the recording I think her voice sounds fantastic. Whether you like the voice or not compared to other options is another debate, but I know actors with "decent" voices who couldn't come CLOSE to what Close did let alone being able to even take on that score every night, or even once for a recording. Meryl has a decent but not stellar voice. Close has an excellent voice. Buckley has an amazing voice. | |
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| re: Close's voice is much better than "decent but not stellar" | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 11:05 am EDT 09/03/19 | |
| In reply to: Close's voice is much better than "decent but not stellar" - Chazwaza 09:38 am EDT 09/03/19 | |
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| Her voice in performance was less than stellar. She had consistent pitch issues, a terrible mix of head and chest (see Forbidden Broadway) and was straining throughout. I also thought her portrayal was closer to Carol Burnett than Gloria Swanson. | |
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| re: Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. | |
| Last Edit: EvFoDr 03:15 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 03:12 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. - Delvino 02:34 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| I don't recall reading anything about that, but it really makes perfect sense, especially now with hindsight. Speaking for myself, I was overjoyed at the time to have LuPone reunite with ALW to belt the hell out of one of his scores. But it's clear now that many of the great candidates for this role would have required a less demanding vocal part. And it was certainly disappointing to me (and some, though clearly not others) to hear even a decent singer like Close approach the score after hearing LuPone do it. I still laugh (tinged with sadness) when I hear the key change DOWN at the end of With One Look so the song can conclude on what I assume was a more manageable note for Close to belt out powerfully. I assume, from recordings though I didn't see them live, that Buckley and Paige delivered the score. But they aren't big box office and certainly don't have any ties to Hollywood like a Close, Shepard, Dunaway, Carroll, MacLaine did, which adds an extra layer to the proceedings. | |
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| Close was electric in LA | |
| Posted by: bobby2 09:54 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. - EvFoDr 03:12 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| I've never seen anything like it. Her vocal deficits whatever they were didn't matter because she brought such an amazing madness and an antic comedy to the role. (I've never seen anybody else get as many laughs from it. Even Close in the revival couldn't do it.) She just connected with that role so deeply like with Fatal Attraction that it was just stunning. Makes me wonder if Dunaway could have brought that hysteria to it. By the time it got to NYC the first time she was a bit 'big" but those first few months in LA were unlike anything I've ever witnessed on stage. Shear brilliance. One thing that I think that gets distorted in Patti's whole stuff about how a movie star swept in and stole her role is that Close was in a career slump at this time. I doubt ALW ever thought in a million years that Close a faltering movie star who hadn't had a hit in a few years would give a more acclaimed performance than the woman who dazzled as Evita. I always felt Close did the role in LA (where she didn't live) in order to try and restart her film career. Being away from the New York spotlight probably enabled her to give a bold take on the role........and it worked. Close's trips up and down those stairs was a show in itself. It was like she came up with a mood for each one and each trip was like a little one act play. Plus she took the curtain call in character. Never broke. She bowed as the desperate Norma bowing to her people out there in the dark. Excellent. |
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| re: Close was electric in LA | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 10:25 am EDT 08/27/19 | |
| In reply to: Close was electric in LA - bobby2 09:54 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| Thanks for sharing. I had nearly forgotten that I had tickets to see Close in LA but my trip was thwarted by the earthquake in 1994. Perhaps if I had seen her there my feelings would be different. And to be fair LuPone is my favorite musical theatre diva so she was going to be a touh act to follow for me. By the way I have no investment at all in this whole idea that Close stole the role from LuPone. I just simply want to hear a bigger voice sing the score. But by many accounts, including your above, Close was quite special live, and I don't doubt it. | |
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| re: Close was electric in LA | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 10:44 am EDT 08/27/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Close was electric in LA - EvFoDr 10:25 am EDT 08/27/19 | |
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| What sometimes gets overlooked in this LuPone v. Close conversation is that Close was playing a different version of the show than LuPone ever got to do. The show was revised for LA and those revisions did not go into the London production until Buckley took over from LuPone. So I've always wondered if LuPone was handicapped from the start by having to play an inferior version of the piece. Or, to invert that thought, was Close's performance always going to be superior because she was starting with a better version of the material? I have friends who saw the show in London and loved Patti for exactly the reason you state...that the role really works with a big voice. But I'd also heard that LuPone's best performances as Norma were at the tail end of her run, in the immediate aftermath of finding out that she'd been replaced for New York. So maybe LuPone just didn't find that extra "IT" factor in the role until it was too late. In any case, I've never understood the, apparently since buried, animosity that LuPone had for Close. Close didn't hire herself for the role. She was a actress who was offered a job and decided to take it. If she'd declined, there's still no guarantee that Andrew Lloyd Webber, et al would have brought LuPone to New York in the role if they were unhappy with her performance in some way. Although, I wonder if LuPone, given the revised material and, perhaps, some different direction from Trevor Nunn, based on his experience with Close in LA, would have been able to revise her performance in such a way that she would have gotten the acclaim that Close did. |
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| re: Close was electric in LA | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 12:59 pm EDT 08/27/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Close was electric in LA - JereNYC 10:44 am EDT 08/27/19 | |
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| What a tantalizing notion that LuPone could have improved in the new production! Although weren't most of the changes not related to the core Norma material, aside from whatever adjustments were made for Close's vocal abilities? Like, does the addition of Every Movie's a Circus (a horrible song in my opinion) for the ensemble make the show better and improve the Norma experience? I think you have to take LuPone's animosity with a grain of salt. It's not rational, but her thinking was no doubt clouded by the anger and sadness she felt being from being fired. You'll notice if you read her book that she holds (or held) a lot of grudges. And this it the theatre and people are dramatic. I suppose there is a world in which LuPone could have been terribly rational and said: well of course Glenn Close was just taking a job she was offered, I can see beyond my own situation and acknowledge that. But that would have been awfully clear headed. Maybe unrealistically so. |
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| re: Close was electric in LA | |
| Last Edit: JereNYC 01:39 pm EDT 08/27/19 | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 01:39 pm EDT 08/27/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Close was electric in LA - EvFoDr 12:59 pm EDT 08/27/19 | |
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| I'm actually not familiar enough with the material to know exactly what the changes were for LA. But, even if all the Norma material was identical or nearly so, the fact that the show played better in the revised version (as per the creatives who, of course, thought it did) would have likely reflected on Close and every other aspect of the production. Is it better to be the one bright spot in a terrible show or the shiniest bright spot in a good show? | |
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| I didn't see her in LA, but in London and the New York revival... | |
| Posted by: DanielVincent 11:07 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Close was electric in LA - bobby2 09:54 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| ...I would rank her performance as pretty much the best thing I've ever seen anyone do in anything anywhere. | |
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| I remember an Entertainment Tonight segment announcing that Cybill Shepard... | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 03:02 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: Some early reviews noted that the score eliminated too many perfect choices. - Delvino 02:34 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| ...had been offered the role on the West End later in its run, somewhere after Paige but before Moreno. I also remember hearing or reading--though I can't say where--that negotiations fell apart because they wouldn't meet her price. |
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| This strikes me as very telling. | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 03:53 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - Teesh 08:32 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I’ll have to pick up the book (thanks for referencing it) and read the chapter for the details, but if ALW was resistant to having Carroll in the role, I’m sure the prospect of using her on Broadway was never seriously considered. It’s a shame. She gave a fantastic performance and the strength of her name—especially when we weren’t that far off from Dynasty—could have extended the run by at least a few months. | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: bobby2 02:13 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - GabbyGerard 04:43 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| For some reason I always thought (or read) that Paige was brought in out of loyalty on ALW's part. Since she had originated two of his most famous roles and never got to bring them over he finally got her to the US in Sunset. It was surprising though. You'd think by that time in the run they would have needed somebody who could generate more box office. (If they really wanted headlines bringing in Faye Dunaway would have been smashing!) | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: MattPhilly 08:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - bobby2 02:13 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I saw it with Elaine Paige, January 1997. I was in high school and it was a Christmas present from my parents. We sat front mezzanine, the tickets were a mere $30. (I still have the stub in my playbill.) The show, and the actress, were absolutely magical to my then 15 year old eyes. I can still vividly remember her coming down the staircase, her With One Look, and her masterful As If We Never Said Goodbye. Not to mention the thrilling ending and her mad scene and the image of young Gloria Swanson being projected. It's all still vivid to me. Definitely great memories of that one, plus it made me a big fan of Elaine Paige. |
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| the Paige Norma | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:38 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - MattPhilly 08:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Was my second favorite. She sang it wonderfully, and to my ears she was the only Norma to borrow baldly from Swanson. Though at first it threw me -- we were close to a Burnett caricature -- it paid off. The diminutive star found a way to fold in the famous line readings now and then and yet still make the arias all hers. I thought it was an entirely winning interpretation. | |
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| re: the Paige Norma | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 03:14 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
| In reply to: the Paige Norma - Delvino 07:38 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| Back in the 90s, when I saw Paige during her Broadway run, I thought she was terrific. As you pointed out, she was the production's first (perhaps the only) Norma to channel Swanson, which--odd as this may sound--seemed somewhat "fresh" since others seemed to have been so intentionally avoiding any Swanson-isms. I would also say she was Broadway's most consistently well-sung Norma. When Buckley was in good voice, which was about 75% of the time, her vocals were outstanding...but when she got tired, she would sound noticeably hoarse and raspy, go flat on the money notes (an unfortunate pattern that has been repeated frequently in her run as Dolly), and alter the melody of The Perfect Year to avoid its high notes. Paige always sounded strong-voiced and healthy--maybe because her attendance was not as good as Buckley's or Close's? Over the years, though, Paige's interpretation has dimmed in my esteem. Maybe it's because she relied so heavily on Swanson's body language, cadences, and facial expressions. She did not imprint on my brain as indelibly as others because, well, she didn't have to...I could go back to the movie and see the original, more authentic version of her Norma. To use actor-speak, one could argue that Paige was taking an outside-in approach, but, ultimately, I've felt that she didn't go deep enough in to create a lasting emotional impact. |
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| re: the Paige Norma | |
| Posted by: bway1430 02:00 am EDT 08/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: the Paige Norma - GabbyGerard 03:14 pm EDT 08/26/19 | |
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| I thought the same about Paige's mirroring of Swanson but had to bear in mind, she only had a very short time (I think 2 weeks) to learn the role in full. She was an emergency replacement when Buckley got ill in London and required surgery shortly after the Lupone version crashed then reopened. Rather than dig deep she may have just locked in that performance which won her a lot of acclaim....and absolutely no one to tops Paige's "As If We Never Said Goodbye". Magic. | |
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| re: the Paige Norma | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 10:24 am EDT 08/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: the Paige Norma - bway1430 02:00 am EDT 08/28/19 | |
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| I saw the Paige Norma in New York and thought she was spectacular. I was seated in the second or third row and thought I was going to exit the theatre with my hair slicked back like in a cartoon. I recall it being said at the time that Paige was the best "all around" Norma, considering both the acting performance and the big voice. It's interesting to me that Paige doesn't even seem to have been considered for the role until an emergency replacement for Buckley was required. She had to have been on the creatives' short list from the beginning, right? I mean, she originated two of ALW's most famous roles and would, in every way, have been considered perfect for the part. At that point, she was probably the first phone call, since they knew from CATS that she could come in as an emergency replacement and learn it and get on stage. Of course, Norma is a bit of a different thing than Grizabella, but skills are skills. The only other name stars who probably could have done it at that point were LuPone (and fat chance of THAT happening) or Close, who was either already performing in New York or preparing for New York at the time. I wonder if there was a reason that the creatives either didn't want her at first or she didn't want to do it. Even if ALW et al had their hearts set on LuPone to open the show, I'd have thought Paige would have gotten the replacement call before Buckley, at least for London, where she's such a big star. |
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| re: the Paige Norma | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 09:29 pm EDT 08/28/19 | |
| In reply to: re: the Paige Norma - JereNYC 10:24 am EDT 08/28/19 | |
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| I did a little research and found an article in PLAYBILL from a few years back about the various Normas in major productions of the show, focusing mostly on LuPone, Close, Buckley, and Paige. In that article, it was written that Andrew Lloyd Webber was unsure that Paige could be effective in the role of an American. If that is true and that's what kept Paige from playing the role earlier than she did, it makes no sense at all. Paige had already had great success in two ALW shows playing an Argentinian and...well...a cat. And she'd also had a great success just a few years prior to SUNSET BOULEVARD playing Reno Sweeney, a much more aggressively American character than Norma, in the original London production of the Lincoln Center ANYTHING GOES revision. But, if it's true, it does go a long way to explaining why the first three Normas were American. In fact, I don't think there's anything in the text of SUNSET BOULEVARD, the movie or the musical, that specifically identifies Norma as an American. There's no reason at all that she couldn't be an expatriate Brit in Hollywood. In any case, I don't recall Paige having any issue playing the role as an American. |
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| re: It may have been PIAF.... | |
| Posted by: bway1430 01:42 am EDT 08/29/19 | |
| In reply to: re: the Paige Norma - JereNYC 09:29 pm EDT 08/28/19 | |
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| Elaine had been touring PIAF before SUNSET opened in London and eventually brought the show into the West End that same season....but they had to close it after she was suffering vocal damage. SUNSET was her first show back after PIAF closed. In any event the PIAF plans may have taken her off the table for consideration when they were doing initial casting. |
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| That closing projection | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 06:17 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - MattPhilly 08:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| The image projected at the end was not Gloria Swanson—it was Elaine Paige! Each actress who played the role, including the covers, shot footage used for that closing moment. I love that you described it as a “young” Gloria Swanson though. I always saw the moment as contrasting young Norma Desmond with the mad woman we saw before us as the metaphoric curtain closed. Others, though, have insisted to me that it is not supposed to be footage of young Norma Desmond, but the close up for which she tells Mr. DeMille she is ready. |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: huskyital (huskyital@yahoo.com) 09:20 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - MattPhilly 08:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I saw Close in the original production........then Elaine Paige and Glenn Close once again a few years ago. I felt she owned it.....living the part and it would be great if a film version ever came to fruition. She was robbed of the Oscar last year | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Last Edit: Ludlow29 09:50 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| Posted by: Ludlow29 09:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - huskyital 09:20 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I saw Close and Paige. Close was remarkable, making the character totally her own—not a pale imitation of Gloria Swanson. Paige aimed to honor Swanson, but it didn't work for me. | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - Ludlow29 09:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I've always felt that Streisand should play Norma, but I've never heard/read her name being mentioned for SUNSET (outside of the two brilliant solos on her album). Does anybody have any info on this? | |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: tandelor 12:03 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - Pokernight 11:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| There has been MUCH speculation over the years of her wanting to do the film, including one from Variety linked below. | |
| Link | Streep, Streisand eye ‘Sunset Blvd’ |
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| re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 03:23 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Was Diahann Carroll ever offered Sunset Blvd. on Broadway? - tandelor 12:03 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Thank you, tandelor! | |
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