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| Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: ABC's Lara Spencer laughs at Prince George for taking ballet & Broadway fires back - Ballerina56 05:08 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Unclutch your pearls, people. While more than a touch retrograde, Lara Spencer's laughter had as much to do with the cumulative list of all the subjects that the tiny King-in-waiting has on his dance card rather than a specific mockery of ballet. She's joined in merriment by not only George Stephanopulos but by the entire audience behind her. This is such a crystalline example of the internet turning a molehill into a mountain. It's what THE PROM was all about: "celebrities" like Telly Leung leaping into the fray to telegraph their outrage and pique. |
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| Posted by: FlynnFisher 08:23 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Totally agree, and further.... | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:52 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Unmentioned by the Outrage-Addicted are a few other things in the brouhaha. It was George Stephanopoulos who both started the laughter and laughed hardest and longest. I gather he's getting a free pass and none of the Professionally Affronted are putting out petitions about him or trying to get him fired (to my knowledge as yet.) Spencer also immediately followed his yucking it up by turning to him and the other co-host and addressing them directly: "Well, "I mean, well, he might! He might end up –" (implied: a good ballet dancer.) Then she tracks back for her story punch line: "I mean, with the religious studies, and the computer programming, I just want to go back to the Play-Doh!" But some of those contextual details detract from the Outrage Storyline. |
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| re: Totally agree, and further.... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:11 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Totally agree, and further.... - reed23 04:52 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "Unmentioned by the Outrage-Addicted are a few other things in the brouhaha. It was George Stephanopoulos who both started the laughter and laughed hardest and longest. I gather he's getting a free pass and none of the Professionally Affronted are putting out petitions about him or trying to get him fired (to my knowledge as yet.)" Stephanopoulos did not go unmentioned by me, or by some others. See my other posts, if you care to. He seems to have some SERIOUS issues in regard to homophobia. But that doesn't excuse what Spencer said, like for example the way she used "ballet" as a punchline. So I fail to understand what you are getting at. |
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| So that's the new standard, ist it? | |
| Posted by: Sam890 02:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| No one is allowed to complain unless the wrongdoing is at the level of Hitler or Pol Pot??? right..... | |
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| re: So that's the new standard, ist it? | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:26 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: So that's the new standard, ist it? - Sam890 02:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "You gotta model yourself after somebody." - Woody Allen |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| "While more than a touch retrograde, Lara Spencer's laughter had as much to do with the cumulative list of all the subjects that the tiny King-in-waiting has on his dance card rather than a specific mockery of ballet." No it did not. You have no idea what you're talking about. Her laughter, and the laughter of the audience and the giggling infant George Stephanopoulos, was SPECIFICALLY in response to the mention of the young prince taking ballet lessons. And then this woman felt it necessary to follow up with that idiotic remark, "I have news for you, Prince William, we'll see how long that lasts." What incredible gall she has to imply that she has any freaking idea "how long that lasts." And, as I said in a post above, I don't believe a word of her apology, because if she honestly didn't think there was anything wrong or funny or "gay" about a young boy taking ballet lessons, she wouldn't have made that face or laughed or followed up with that idiotic remark in the first place. |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| "You have no idea what you're talking about." Yeah, I do. I watched the video and came to the conclusion stated above. And you have your opinion and you've expressed it luxuriantly. Obviously ABC is not too concerned since they've left the clip up on YouTube. |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:41 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 09:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "I watched the video and came to the conclusion stated above. And you have your opinion and you've expressed it luxuriantly." In my opinion, the conclusion you came to is simply not supported by the clip. If "computer programming" had been the last thing on Lara Spencer's list, do you think she would have made a face, and the audience and George S. would have laughed, and she would have followed with the statement: "Computer programming. I have news for you, we'll see how long that lasts." I would honestly be interested in your answer to this question. |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - Michael_Portantiere 11:41 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| What does "gay" have to do about it? She didn't say a thing about him being gay. People are projecting that on to this. Also- aren't professional male ballet dancers largely straight anyway? | |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Sorry: did you honestly think she wasn't implying that Prince George would rebel at being forced to participate in something so gay??? I thought was the whole POINT of your pearl clutching! |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 05:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - KingSpeed 12:51 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| She didn't have to say it. Historically, a young boy being interested in ballet would be teased: "what's so gay." It has long been a direct association, so that is part of the reason people are reacting strongly to what she said. Why should any young child be teased or discourage for ANY creative interest? | |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:26 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - jconnors 05:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "She didn't have to say it. Historically, a young boy being interested in ballet would be teased: 'That's so gay.' It has long been a direct association, so that is part of the reason people are reacting strongly to what she said. " Exactly. This level of disingenuousness (is that a word?) in this thread is amazing, and more than a little frightening. |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 07:31 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Have some overreacted to what she said? Sure. But if we step back and take a look at it, men have long been ridiculed for going into dance in general, and ballet specifically. In many cases that ridicule came in the form of being called gay. Now jump to today's environment with its increased awareness of—and attention to—bullying in all forms. A women in her position mocking a 6-year-old boy on national television, particularly the heir to the UK throne, is gonna get some justifiable pushback. Bottom line for me is that she played into outdated stereotypes and there was no legitimate need for her to do so. |
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| Thank you for your measured and coherent response to both the "scandal" and my post. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:14 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - jconnors 07:31 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Unfortunately the post I was responding to did have the same degree of sang-froid. | |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: edinalex 05:49 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - portenopete 05:24 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I don’t think anybody is suggesting she is up there with Hitler and Pol Pot but her snide remarks and tone are worthy of comment. It’s you who seem to have introduced more hyperbole than the people objecting to her views. | |
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| re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 11:19 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Yeah, she's right up there with Hitler and Pol Pot. - edinalex 05:49 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| This is what I was replying to: "She's truly despicable. I was outraged by her comments--but even more so of her unmitigated glee in expressing them. There's a petition circulating if anyone is interested." Posted by Ballerina56. "Truly despicable", "outraged", "unmitigated glee": those words feel pretty hyperbolic given what Lara Spencer said and how she said it. I immediately went to the videotape before I replied. I stand by what I said. |
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