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| Posted by: larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: despicable? - KingSpeed 09:18 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| First of all it seems her apology was not on air--at least not yet. The "big deal" is that her comments already did damage. Not everyone who saw it or heard about it is necessarily going to find out--or care--about the apology. If there's anything that gets me riled up it's people saying "you have to relax," especially when they don't understand--or act like they don't--what the "big deal" IS. NO one who was offended--which the overwhelming majority of posters here were--has stated that her comments were the worst thing that ever happened. But they WERE bullying--especially towards a child--and playing into the worst prejudices. Furthermore, why was it even necessary to talk about Prince George's classes in the first place? Unless the slant was going to be totally different, this was just TV filler garbage that was asking for trouble. |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| "The 'big deal' is that her comments already did damage. Not everyone who saw it or heard about it is necessarily going to find out--or care--about the apology." Yes. And also, her apology was insincere -- not something she really feels, but something she felt it necessary to say in order to try to save her job. Her apology was, "From ballet to anything one wants to explore in life, I say GO FOR IT. I fully believe we should all be free to pursue our passions." But if she truly believed that there's nothing wrong or funny or "gay" about a boy taking ballet class, she wouldn't have made that face, laughed, and then followed up with that ridiculous comment in the first place. So, her "apology" is a lie. |
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| Posted by: Sam890 02:32 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I agree with you Michael, I get tired of people (often politicians) saying stupid, hurtful things and then, when caught out, offering an insincere apology expecting us all to forgive and forget. It seems many (including many on this board) think a kneejerk apology completely absolves a person from wrongdoing. I don't agree. If someone punches you in the face then says sorry, your face is still going to hurt. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:22 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| A lie? Come on, Michael, you're presuming a lot here. I thought the apology was perfectly acceptable. | |
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| Posted by: lowwriter 08:14 pm EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| She apologized on Instagram which isn’t enough. She should apologize on the TV show. | |
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| you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 10:38 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| why would a media professional attack a kid in the first place? let's start there. | |
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| re: you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed | |
| Posted by: waterfall 11:02 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: you have to be a pretty sick person to attack a kid, KingSpeed - manchurch03104 10:38 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| This is what I've been saying. It really doesn't matter why they were laughing at the young prince - it's enough that adults were laughing at a child. Who does that? Kids should be off-limits. |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:02 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| KingSpeed, if someone were being interviewed about gender roles and I said, "I really don't feel it's appropriate for women to direct Broadway shows or run companies, because they don't have the leadership for it," and then I "apologized" by saying, "Sorry, my remark was insensitive, I don't really feel that way. As far as I'm concerned, whatever you want to do, GO FOR IT" -- would you accept that apology? Of course not. The only sincere apology in that case would be, "I am sorry that stereotypical gender roles have been so ingrained in me that I made a terribly offensive remark. I will work to re-wire my brain and move beyond my conception of stereotypical roles." Do you see the difference? People shouldn't apologize by lying about their true feelings. Rather, they should admit that some of their feelings and beliefs are wrong and hurtful and ignorant, and they should apologize for THAT and then work to overcome those feelings. That's the kind of apology I, for one, would accept. |
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| Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:48 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| re: Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:06 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Totally agree on this, KingSpeed. n/m - reed23 04:37 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| If you "totally agree" with KingSpeed on this, please read my post above and then please explain to me what's wrong with my logic. I'm honestly interested in what you have to say about that. | |
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| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I saw the replay of her comments. She, along with the other chuckling jokers surrounding her, were thoughtless and stupid. To me, that doesn’t equal bullying. If that is the worst the little royal child hears in his life he will be lucky. People say thoughtless things. And sometimes they apologize. Gracious folks accept their apologies. |
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| Posted by: Pokernight 09:31 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| In July 2019, photos were publicised showing Spencer allegedly throwing food out of her kitchen window into her neighbours property. Spencer publicly denied this and said she was simply feeding the birds.[7] Nu? |
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| Posted by: ryhog 10:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 10:07 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| This is not about the prince. His parents will nurture him no matter what and his family will provide him with everything available in his earthly kingdom. What this is about is the reinforcement of a stigma that does indeed hurt other less fortunate kids, who learn, even on television networks that are not expected to be odious, that what appeals to them is something that gets laughed at. Yes, that's bullying. | |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 10:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Thoughtless people reinforce stereotypes. They are called out for it. They apologize. It is a teachable moment. The fools at ABC may have learned something. I’m not accepting your definition. I know very well what it’s like to be teased and I know what it’s like to be bullied. In my mind she is a joking idiot, a thoughtless clod, not a bully. | |
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| Last Edit: ryhog 11:40 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Suppose I said that it licenses bullying? Would you accept that? An 8 year old is watching GMA with his father. The father's dream is that his kid becomes the captain of the high school football team. The son wants to be a choreographer when he grows up. The attitude conveyed in the media becomes dad's (bullying) sword. Scripted and mandated apologies are not teachable moments for that kid. How does ABC make it into an effective and meaningful teachable moment, and will they step up? The dynamic here is very real, not something theoretical, and I agree with Michael's comment below that we shouldn't get hung up on semantics that obscure that. |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| What 8 year old watches GMA with his father? | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 09:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| plenty, but of course it does not matter. Millions of people were watching, and tv is their teacher. The rest of what I would write here in a lengthy post has already been covered memorably by Marshall McLuhan. | |
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| Posted by: portenopete 09:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - KingSpeed 12:44 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| LOL. I watched it quietly and ashamed in the silence of my lonely room. |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 11:50 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 11:38 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| There is so much more out there , things that kids actually watch again and again. Movies and skits and endless commercials that reinforce gender stereotypes. Watch a couple of episodes of “Friends” again. How about “Superbad”. That was made FOR kids. I can’t get worked up over a thoughtless comment on a morning talk show. There are many more important battles to fight. But fine, take her down and feel you’ve accomplished something. | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:11 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:50 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| "There is so much more out there , things that kids actually watch again and again. Movies and skits and endless commercials that reinforce gender stereotypes. Watch a couple of episodes of “Friends” again. How about “Superbad”. That was made FOR kids. I can’t get worked up over a thoughtless comment on a morning talk show. There are many more important battles to fight. But fine, take her down and feel you’ve accomplished something." I do see your point, but one could argue that Lara Spencer's comment was just as bad as "Superbad," etc. in its own way, because the comment was made in the context of a news/talk show discussion among supposedly mature and intelligent adults whom one would have thought would have moved way beyond making fun of a young boy because he's taking ballet lessons. |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:29 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:06 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| "Thoughtless people reinforce stereotypes. They are called out for it. They apologize. It is a teachable moment. The fools at ABC may have learned something. I’m not accepting your definition. I know very well what it’s like to be teased and I know what it’s like to be bullied. In my mind she is a joking idiot, a thoughtless clod, not a bully." I don't see the point in getting hung up over what exactly constitutes "bullying." Her comments, and the reaction of the crowd, were shockingly stupid and harmful -- and one should expect something far better from a highly paid TV "news" person with a huge audience. That definitely includes George Stephanopoulos, whom I will never forget being called out by Ewan McGregor years ago for his childish, idiotic, immature laughter during the discussion of some gay content in one of McGregor's movies. That one seems to have some VERY SERIOUS issues when it comes to homosexuality. I wonder what that's all about???? |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:29 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I’ve heard enough blather from these morning folks not to be as shocked as you seem to be. They reflect the asinine views of a vast part of their audience. That’s why they are so popular. If it now becomes impossible to apologize for ones remarks without then being called a liar, then what is the future of manners or polite society. Does she have to resign because she made a face? Give up a career because she made a tactless comment? Don’t watch her again. |
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| Thank you, Bill. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:08 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Let the caravan move on..... | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Billhaven, it's not about Michael not watching her (or you, or me). It's about that kid sitting at home with his father (or mother: Spencer could be laughing at her kid at home.) And the fact that you are not shocked (and that the "blather" reinforces a toxic stereotype for a "vast part of the audience" is the PROBLEM, not some excuse that gives everyone a free pass. (BTW, I am not saying everyone who does something like this has to be fired. The true indictment is the culture at ABC that has not short-circuited this sort of behavior as a matter of corporate responsibility. | |
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| "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Sorry ryhog. I don't know how old you are but I am 53 and I grew up in a world where homophobia- among other ills- was commonplace and acceptable. Sniggering at aspects of gayness was the norm and it didn't necessarily imply virulent prejudice or hatred, just discomfort and unfamiliarity. Hell, if I met a 5-year boy today studying ballet something wry and snarky would spark in my brain and my eyebrow would reflexively rise a smidge. I remember my father flying into a rage when I was watching Rudolf Nureyev on The Muppet Show. (I didn't even care about dance or Nureyev himself; I was just watching the fracking Muppet Show.) Even at the age of ten I could see he was scared and effed up by something he sensed in me (my burgeoning homo-identity) and perhaps something he feared about himself. I'm glad we don't live in an age where such casual, jovial belittling is the norm. But having been reared in it I can't get so upset about a moment that seems pretty minor. Lara Spencer was reared in that same world and a trace of it was revealed. It seems like she's paid her price. If she persists in her mockery, then by all means, ABC: can her and bring back Joan Lunden. |
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| re: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." - portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I am slightly older than you, and of course it was worse. Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, people have long-ingrained reactions. But people, especially those in positions of responsibility and influence, are obliged to counteract those antiquated markers by training them out of their behavior and speech. I have a friend who grew up in a household in which the n-word was used regularly, without any overt racism attached. Would you excuse her use of it because she was "reared in it"? One more point here: this is not about Lara Spencer. (I barely know who she is, as I long ago stopped watching TV, especially in the morning.) It's about media. The ABC culture is the villain here; she is just one symptom of its toxicity. |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Dick and little Jane better toughen up. It’s a mean world out there. Granny had to learn how to keep up in this fast and brutal world and so will D&J. Good Morning America was not given a free pass, were they?They were called out on their little cracks and smug laughter. But there are countless instances of fully scripted shows, music, videos and games that are toxic. I’m not excusing this behavior, I’m saying it’s a tiny grain on an epic beach. Outrage shouldn’t be wasted on it. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 09:26 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Sorry, but this outrage meme is pretty lame. In effect, it denigrates those who are not willing to excuse this behavior. And you ARE excusing it when you say it happens all the time. As you called it, there is a teachable moment here. That works in both directions. All I am saying is let's move in the right direction. Media can be a force for good or bad. Train these pathetic TV hosts. Do it on air. | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| The amount of TV "news" that I watch is virtually zero, so you're right about that -- I'm not used to asinine remarks and commentary such as she made. In my opinion, her apology is a lie because, as I said, if it were HONESTLY fine with her for a boy to take ballet lessons, she wouldn't have used that tone of voice and laughed and made that stupid comment about it in the first place. The only apology that would have sounded sincere to me would be something along the lines of, "I deeply regret that outdated ideas about gender roles are so ingrained in me that I made an ignorant and harmful comment about the prince taking ballet lessons." |
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| Posted by: nyc23 09:57 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - larry13 09:46 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I intend no disrespect, but who cares what a royal baby does or what a morning television anchor says about it? Maybe I have outrage fatigue. | |
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| Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
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| Posted by: Marlo*Manners 10:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - nyc23 09:57 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I agree that you don't mock a 6 year-old publicly. Making fun of ballet also is ignorant and redolent of the dumbing down of America that is hitting its apex currently. However, this wasn't quite as personal as I thought it might be from the outrage. The whole segment was on the almost college level curriculum Prince George is facing. They seemed to be laughing at ballet, not so much Prince George loving it and stating that he will grow out of loving ballet. "We'll see how long that lasts" It was classless and uninformed but not quite as cruel, homophobic and bullying as I thought it might have been. Also, GMA has producers and writers who vet the subject matter. Maybe Lara Spencer laughing at it was her choice but it was a group decision to talk about the Prince's curriculum and highlight that he loves ballet. Many people got really upset about online comments about Barron Trump and his odd gestures and affect suggesting he might be on the spectrum. I usually cheer anyone who takes down the Trumps but in the case of Barron I was like "LEAVE HIM ALONE". Children of world leaders often are targeted about their appearance, mannerisms or actions in highly visible public ways that normal children won't ever face. I strongly believe that children of world leaders should be allowed to be normal kids and not subjected to the public ridicule or scrutiny their parents have to deal with as part of their position and job. A six year-old is a six year-old even if his parents are royalty and they are going to be kings. Lara Spencer should apologize but she is already being lambasted and flogged on social media. The GMA producers and writers, however, also need to be censured by the network and the public. Marlo Manners (Lady Barrington) |
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| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - Marlo*Manners 10:59 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I agree that others are involved, but ultimately Lara Spender has the most visible agency here ... and power. No doubt she could have influenced the language used in that segment and most definitely the tone in which she read the copy. She could have changed either and did not. Is this a major disaster? No, but it is a very visible unforced error. She should know better. The producers should know better. And all of them should have done better. |
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| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:50 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| She's a 50-year-old experienced host/journalist, operating from Manhattan, who hosts a show on HGTV (!). She should know better. She should've known better in 1972. The people telling us to calm down and cut Spender slack really are pretending she just left journalism school, or won American Idol, or some damn thing. No. It's 2019. She's on GMA, not handling a local weather spot in South Dakota. |
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| re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:27 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Lara Spencer and GMA have a producer and writers who are also responsible. - jconnors 05:05 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| "I agree that others are involved, but ultimately Lara Spencer has the most visible agency here ... and power. No doubt she could have influenced the language used in that segment and most definitely the tone in which she read the copy. She could have changed either and did not." You've got it exactly right. Spencer could have listed ballet as one of the things that the young prince would be involved in, but NOT saved it for last in the list as a punch line, not made a face after she said it, and not followwed up with the stupid and nervy comment "We'll see how long that lasts." One of the other things Spencer mentioned on the list was "computer programming." Why didn't she stop after THAT, make a face, and then say "We'll see how long that lasts? Because, in her mind, computer programming is completely "acceptable" for a boy to study, but ballet is not. And yes, it's true that one point of the "report" was to note that George is going to have a very full schedule as a very young child, but that ended up coming off as secondary to the need to make fun of the fact that he's going to be studying ballet. |
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| She already DID apologize. Like right away. nm | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:42 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Well, a day later | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:17 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| The segment aired Thursday morning. Her Instagram mea culpa was Friday. | |
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| But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m | |
| Posted by: reed23 04:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: She already DID apologize. Like right away. nm - KingSpeed 12:42 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| spoken from the perspective of manifest privilege | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:21 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| that's the problem with your drive-by postings in this thread. If you are not outraged, that, I guess, is your prerogative. If you don't get it, pat yourself on the back. But there are children whose lives are scarred by things like this. There are children who kill themselves because of things like this. There are children who get killed by things like that. Want to call it an outrage narrative and try to denigrate people with a conscience? I can't stop you but I can ask you to think about it. | |
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| Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:52 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| Only 15 years ago Dr. Phil drew audience applause instructing parents to take dolls away from a young male child who adored them. The segment burned a hole in my brain because as a self-appointed arbiter of gender expectations, McGraw claimed to be a staunch advocate of responsible parenting: curb those tendencies quickly or your male child will become an adult you don't recognize and society will never accept. It's no stretch to say the giggly, woefully self-absorbed Spencer voiced the same concern, albeit glibly, capriciously. Why, *real* boys don't dance willingly, didn't you hear? Wink wink, ha ha ha! The offense taken was swift and fully earned, and now some want to tone police those of us who were offended. I won't accept it. |
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| re: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:35 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
| In reply to: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. - Delvino 07:52 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| There is a surprising (to me) dynamic at play here, centering on how and to what extent we have evolved. On the one hand, we HAVE evolved, in the sense that, today, I do not think any responsible authority would seriously make the statement you attribute to Dr. Phil above. But on the other hand, we still sustain a culture in which what Spencer and her colleagues did at a major media outlet does not automatically blow a fuse. We are not talking about the learned attitudes of individual parents here; we are talking about the conveyed attitudes of powerful media that taints those parents and their children. These are attitudes that lead some kids to kill themselves, and others to live their lives as square pegs in round holes. Many of us have witnessed the evolution, and are not eager to see the genie forced back in the bottle for the current generation of kids. (And for anyone who thinks this is much ado about nothing, watch some of the Broadway dancers' youtube vids in reaction to what happened and get back to me. |
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| re: Years ago, Dr. Phil said something comparable. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:51 am EDT 08/25/19 | |
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| "On the one hand, we HAVE evolved, in the sense that, today, I do not think any responsible authority would seriously make the statement you attribute to Dr. Phil above. But on the other hand, we still sustain a culture in which what Spencer and her colleagues did at a major media outlet does not automatically blow a fuse. We are not talking about the learned attitudes of individual parents here; we are talking about the conveyed attitudes of powerful media that taints those parents and their children. These are attitudes that lead some kids to kill themselves, and others to live their lives as square pegs in round holes. Many of us have witnessed the evolution, and are not eager to see the genie forced back in the bottle for the current generation of kids. (And for anyone who thinks this is much ado about nothing, watch some of the Broadway dancers' youtube vids in reaction to what happened and get back to me." Very cogently and thoughtfully worded. Thank you. |
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| re: But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:18 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: But that doesn't feed the Outrage Narrative, so few noticed, and the rest churlishly reject the apology. n/m - reed23 04:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I can only speak for myself, but I suspect many people rejected the apology -- and not "churlishly" -- because she apologized for the wrong thing. AGAIN, Lara Spencer shouldn't have said she doesn't really feel that way about boys taking ballet lessons, she should have admitted that she DOES feel that way, and that she recognizes it's wrong. | |
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