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| Posted by: Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Michael_Portantiere 11:29 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| I’ve heard enough blather from these morning folks not to be as shocked as you seem to be. They reflect the asinine views of a vast part of their audience. That’s why they are so popular. If it now becomes impossible to apologize for ones remarks without then being called a liar, then what is the future of manners or polite society. Does she have to resign because she made a face? Give up a career because she made a tactless comment? Don’t watch her again. |
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| Thank you, Bill. | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:08 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Let the caravan move on..... | |
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| re: despicable? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| Billhaven, it's not about Michael not watching her (or you, or me). It's about that kid sitting at home with his father (or mother: Spencer could be laughing at her kid at home.) And the fact that you are not shocked (and that the "blather" reinforces a toxic stereotype for a "vast part of the audience" is the PROBLEM, not some excuse that gives everyone a free pass. (BTW, I am not saying everyone who does something like this has to be fired. The true indictment is the culture at ABC that has not short-circuited this sort of behavior as a matter of corporate responsibility. | |
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| "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Sorry ryhog. I don't know how old you are but I am 53 and I grew up in a world where homophobia- among other ills- was commonplace and acceptable. Sniggering at aspects of gayness was the norm and it didn't necessarily imply virulent prejudice or hatred, just discomfort and unfamiliarity. Hell, if I met a 5-year boy today studying ballet something wry and snarky would spark in my brain and my eyebrow would reflexively rise a smidge. I remember my father flying into a rage when I was watching Rudolf Nureyev on The Muppet Show. (I didn't even care about dance or Nureyev himself; I was just watching the fracking Muppet Show.) Even at the age of ten I could see he was scared and effed up by something he sensed in me (my burgeoning homo-identity) and perhaps something he feared about himself. I'm glad we don't live in an age where such casual, jovial belittling is the norm. But having been reared in it I can't get so upset about a moment that seems pretty minor. Lara Spencer was reared in that same world and a trace of it was revealed. It seems like she's paid her price. If she persists in her mockery, then by all means, ABC: can her and bring back Joan Lunden. |
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| re: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:41 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: "The fact that you are not shocked...is the PROBLEM..." - portenopete 09:24 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| I am slightly older than you, and of course it was worse. Thank you for sharing your story. Yes, people have long-ingrained reactions. But people, especially those in positions of responsibility and influence, are obliged to counteract those antiquated markers by training them out of their behavior and speech. I have a friend who grew up in a household in which the n-word was used regularly, without any overt racism attached. Would you excuse her use of it because she was "reared in it"? One more point here: this is not about Lara Spencer. (I barely know who she is, as I long ago stopped watching TV, especially in the morning.) It's about media. The ABC culture is the villain here; she is just one symptom of its toxicity. |
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| Posted by: Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - ryhog 12:01 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Dick and little Jane better toughen up. It’s a mean world out there. Granny had to learn how to keep up in this fast and brutal world and so will D&J. Good Morning America was not given a free pass, were they?They were called out on their little cracks and smug laughter. But there are countless instances of fully scripted shows, music, videos and games that are toxic. I’m not excusing this behavior, I’m saying it’s a tiny grain on an epic beach. Outrage shouldn’t be wasted on it. | |
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| Posted by: ryhog 09:26 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 08:35 am EDT 08/24/19 | |
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| Sorry, but this outrage meme is pretty lame. In effect, it denigrates those who are not willing to excuse this behavior. And you ARE excusing it when you say it happens all the time. As you called it, there is a teachable moment here. That works in both directions. All I am saying is let's move in the right direction. Media can be a force for good or bad. Train these pathetic TV hosts. Do it on air. | |
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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:54 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
| In reply to: re: despicable? - Billhaven 11:42 pm EDT 08/23/19 | |
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| The amount of TV "news" that I watch is virtually zero, so you're right about that -- I'm not used to asinine remarks and commentary such as she made. In my opinion, her apology is a lie because, as I said, if it were HONESTLY fine with her for a boy to take ballet lessons, she wouldn't have used that tone of voice and laughed and made that stupid comment about it in the first place. The only apology that would have sounded sincere to me would be something along the lines of, "I deeply regret that outdated ideas about gender roles are so ingrained in me that I made an ignorant and harmful comment about the prince taking ballet lessons." |
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