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| Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| We're so lucky to have NYC people who are tolerant of all viewpoints and accepting of everyone. Oh wait, tolerance only means if you agree with their political views? I guess we'll need to start going through the political donations of everyone associated with every Broadway theater next. If someone donated to any presidential candidate (no matter which political party), I guess we have to shut the place down. Or perhaps the person who cleans the carpet or sells the merchandise made a contribution that people disagree with . Let's shut that theater down next. Or maybe the person who painted a painting inside the theater made a political contribution that's not acceptable ; I'm sure these people will demand we immediately knock the painting off the walls, or topple a statue inside the theater. I never thought I'd see this crazed vengeance and deep sickening hatred towards others in my lifetime. All of these ideas I mentioned here are so sick and so abhorrent, that we as a society must demand an end to this pure evil. |
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| Link | https://nypost.com/2019/08/31/fashion-elite-shun-hudson-yards-the-shed-over-owners-trump-ties/ |
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| If You Stop Feeding a Troll, It Will Crawl Back Under Its Bridge | |
| Posted by: SCH 08:48 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| But, like a stay cat, if you keep feeding it, it will keep coming round. | |
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| re: If You Stop Feeding a Troll, It Will Crawl Back Under Its Bridge | |
| Posted by: bitbybit 01:40 am EDT 09/02/19 | |
| In reply to: If You Stop Feeding a Troll, It Will Crawl Back Under Its Bridge - SCH 08:48 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| Don’t forget, BOom BoOM Rob is there and could probably really use a friend. LOL | |
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| Is there a way to block individual users? | |
| Posted by: JBarnet 07:49 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| There is on other sites. I enjoy coming here and reading and occasionally contributing, but it's clear summertheater isn't interested in that. It's negatively impacting my experience. It's just kind of a bummer to see their nonsense every time I visit this site. Would love to see a block feature added, or actually moderation of these boards. Otherwise I think I'm switching for good. |
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| re: Is there a way to block individual users? | |
| Posted by: summertheater 08:13 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Is there a way to block individual users? - JBarnet 07:49 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| It's "nonsense" since it doesn't agree with a political opinion, so it therefore should be censored? Lots of posts negatively impact the experience of lots of users, but it's only a certain viewpoint that should matter? And my view on theater shows I've raved about doesn't matter either huh? Very very scary logic. | |
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| re: Is there a way to block individual users? | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 10:46 am EDT 09/02/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there a way to block individual users? - summertheater 08:13 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| "Very very scary logic." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. | |
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| re: Is there a way to block individual users? | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:28 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there a way to block individual users? - summertheater 08:13 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| First of all, blocking an individual is not censorship. It is the same as wearing my noise cancelling headphones on the subway (which I do religiously) so I don't have to hear the nonsense spouted by deranged people starving for attention. Secondly, what you have posted is not political opinion. It is, as described, just nonsense. (If, for example, you had actually read the article you linked, perhaps you would have been able to formulate a political comment based on it. But you manifestly did not, and the result is that you posted nonsense.) The only interesting discussion in this thread has been whether you are a troll or just nonsensical. Third, it would appear that there is valuable evidence in support of the "troll" argument insofar as you have previously announced that you absolutely will not be be seeing FLS because you do not want to put your phone (not sure if it is a flip phone) in a yondr pouch, which is a sine qua non of being admitted to the venue. |
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| Being able to block individual users is a feature | |
| Posted by: JBarnet 08:36 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there a way to block individual users? - summertheater 08:13 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| On pretty much every other modern message board on the Internet. Just not on ATC apparently, which seems a bit stuck in the dark ages technology wise. It's not censorship. And it's not about dissenting opinions. Dissenting opinions are awesome. It's the deliberately provocative way you're choosing to conduct yourself over and over again. It's childish and lame. That's the end of the time/interest I have posting about this. Thanks to everyone for their continued interest in this community. :) |
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| re: Is there a way to block individual users? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:09 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Is there a way to block individual users? - JBarnet 07:49 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| Each of his posts are labeled with his nam. You can choose to not open them. | |
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| Reputation matters, but perhaps not to you since you keep posting such nonsense | |
| Posted by: jconnors 09:02 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| People and corporations are often judged by the company they keep, particularly true in the fashion industry. Does this sometimes get out of hand? Yes, but this is not one of those cases. Opting not to hold your event in a venue financed or supported by someone whose beliefs you do not share is a longstanding freedom of expression. Like it or not, money talks in capitalism. If you are so outraged, use your financial voice to support more events aligned with your beliefs in The Shed, refuse to do business with those who refuse to hold events at The Shed, or hire your own merry band of protestors to picket the parties who so aggrieve you. |
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| re: Reputation matters, but perhaps not to you since you keep posting such nonsense | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 05:45 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:43 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Reputation matters, but perhaps not to you since you keep posting such nonsense - jconnors 09:02 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| Plus, the money may actually be used against you. If I eat at a restaurant that gives money to do away with gay marriage, I’m literally helping them take away my rights. It’s not for “political reasons” in this example, it’s personal. | |
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| Moderator: I suggest nuking this political thread. | |
| Posted by: reed23 06:15 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Why are we dragging some pro-Trumpian whining, complaining and end-of-times imprecations about "pure evil" regarding some fashion-show cancellations onto a Broadway and theatre chat board? By the way, over on Twitter, if you pick the right people to follow, you can get terrific, insightful, informative theatre discussions and news, AND a wide variety of political news, opinion, and arguments, if that's what you're looking for. I'd hate to see this valuable site devolve even further away from its best suit, between the chili recipe discussions and irrelevant political hyperbole. |
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| Just wondering here | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 09:23 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Moderator: I suggest nuking this political thread. - reed23 06:15 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| From its inception, didn't really GOOD Theatre deal with political topics and moral dilemmas (i.e. "Antigone")? And weren't Summer Theaters created to merely entertain folks who have no desire to THINK? | |
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| Mods have never shown the slightest interest in pulling these off-topic rants | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:00 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Moderator: I suggest nuking this political thread. - reed23 06:15 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| On the other hand, summertheater’s gormless postings are so easily debunked that the subsequent threads are among our more entertaining. (And not for nothing, but the vegan chili question was entirely on-topic, and just the sort of question members should feel free to ask.) |
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| re: Mods have never shown the slightest interest in pulling these off-topic rants | |
| Posted by: nyc23 12:55 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Mods have never shown the slightest interest in pulling these off-topic rants - MockingbirdGirl 09:00 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| Vegan chili at Oklahoma! I’d thankfully forgotten about that ridiculousness. | |
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| False Equivalency | |
| Last Edit: Leon_W 02:01 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| Posted by: Leon_W 01:50 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| You mention if anyone has donated to any political party are we supposed to shut them down. This is a false equivalency since one party is fighting for the rights of LBGQT people that make up a disproportionality large number of people working in theatre by the way and for women’s right to rule their own bodies or for immigrants rights to be here in a country founded on immigration and one is fighting against them. It used to be that both Democrats and Republicans had valid points to make. There are not good people on both sides anymore. | |
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| Disproportionately? | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 07:54 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: False Equivalency - Leon_W 01:50 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| This is a common misconception. People in the theater are merely out there in the public eye so it seems like more people are proportionately working in the theater than say, medicine but I do not think this true. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater for artistic reasons ... | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 11:39 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| ... they have basically done a lot of pretentious crap in a hideous $475 million building. IMHO. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:01 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Ross (a terrible landlord/property manager btw) is not just a casual Trump supporter; he threw a fundraiser for a small group that raised enough money to do actual damage to our democracy. This is not about checking everyone's FEC records at the door. It's about someone evil enough to take steps that have real direct impact on our lives. Boycotts rarely work (your ilk adds new ones all the time, to no effect, but it is notable that you have never posted about how "sick and abhorrent" you think those are) but if folks want to try to damage Ross, more power to them. Oh, and by the way, lots of people have been very unhappy about the Koch name at Lincoln Center, but that's a very different situation: he made a huge donation (part of his family's "de-demonization PR campaign), but is not enriched by anyone going to the ballet. That makes it quite different than the Ross boycotts at Equinox, Soul Cycle, and not Hudson Yards. P.S. You might want to look for something better to troll about: you are pretty behind the curve on this one. |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: mamaleh 02:03 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - ryhog 10:01 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| True enough, the current administration is open to much fair criticism. And businesses are of course free to spend or withhold their money as they choose. But "Evil enough to take steps that have real direct impact" is in the eye of the beholder. Some would opine that the previous administration's giving the world's biggest purveyor of terror billions of dollars to spearhead terror proxies aimed at the US and our allies constitutes a fairly malignant evil. But I'll bet donors to that leader of the free world were never maligned by anyone on this board. We all have our priorities, likes and dislikes. But we have to remember we live in a pluralistic society where, in theory at least, we try to live in civilized harmony with each other, no matter how we disagree with others. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 09:10 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 09:03 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Fear not, nyc is still a safe space for douchebag billionaire donors. The NYCB still performs at the David H. Koch Theater, named after the late great funder of climate denialism. NYU's Langone Medical Center is brought to you by Kenneth Langone, one of Trump's major cheerleaders. Both the redoubtable Public Theater and Carnegie Hall are partially brought to you by the Blavatnik Family Foundation, run by Len Blavatnik, Trump donor and onetime beneficiary of Vladimir Putin's patronage network. ps. Good for Rag & Bone and Prabal Gurung for starting the ball rolling at "The Shed" and "The Vessel". |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 08:47 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Being accepting and tolerant does not mean abdicating all moral standards. Many people do not want to support an organization that supports in any way "crazed vengeance and sickening hatred toward others." They are under no obligation to do so. In America we are free to spend our money as we want and associate with whom we want. You yourself advocate demanding an end to this pure evil--yet you criticize those who are taking action to this very end. What is the alternative you are suggesting? |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: summertheater 09:03 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - whereismikeyfl 08:47 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| If one looks deeply enough (the board of the theater, the producers, the cast, the house management, etc) I'm sure someone will somewhere find a political contribution with which he/she disagrees, and literally every single theater would need to shut down based on those standards. Similarly, would we boycott an entire organization like BC/EFA if one member made a political contribution with which we disagree? Or if someone does not approve of the sexuality or religion of one board member of BC/EFA? It's one thing to not purchase a ticket to a theater show since you think you won't enjoy it based on its political content, but it's another totally different thing to look so deeply into each and every member's beliefs. We should ask ourselves, what if the shoe were on the other foot? | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 01:50 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:03 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| If I am going to spend thousands of dollars to rent the use of a venue, I would be concerned about the ethics of the owners. If I am going to donate a few bucks or buy a ticket, that is going to be of less concern. I am not going to look that hard (and even if I do, since I am spending so much less I will not care too much). I really hope you are real because I love the wierd lapses of logic you make. But I know you are just playing. I enjoy playing along. |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:14 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - whereismikeyfl 01:50 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| What makes you so sure that summertheater is playing? | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: ryhog 05:19 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - Singapore/Fling 05:14 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| After this many years of the internet, I would think all of us can spot a troll all the way across Times Square. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:45 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - ryhog 05:19 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| True. But after the last few years, we've also seen that beliefs and behaviors that seemed relegated to a deranged minority are actually widespread and fueling the rise of right-wing ethno-nationalism and authoritarianism. Summertheater may just be a troll, but little they say strikes me as unreasonable in this day and age. It's funny, I take summertheater neither seriously nor literally in the content of what they post, but I do take their belief system literally (as well as their dedication to the long con). If they are a troll, they are displaying the language, taking points, and intellectual dishonesty of a larger movement that is currently setting the agenda of our global financial and political systems. I'm not saying you're wrong to read them as a troll, I'm just saying I'm not so certain that the truth is obvious. |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: ryhog 06:46 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - Singapore/Fling 05:45 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| were it JUST the political posts, I would be more inclined to see this your way. But we are talking about the champion of late seating, early show times, etc etc etc For me it is a stretch seeing those as anything but trolling. (Maybe not in the first instance, but clearly in the repetition.) I am sure that there is a DSM but clearly it is calculated to draw attention. (And succeeds, lest we leave unchallenged inanity on the internet.) A poseur? Maybe not. A troll? I think yes. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 07:41 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - ryhog 06:46 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| I hear you on that, but I just see more derangement there, particularly if we actually believe that summertheater is scrolling through weeks and weeks of seating charts to check for unsold seats. That behavior is actually what makes me think they're legit, or else sincerely devoted to a very elaborate con on a message board that doesn't seem worth the trouble. But perhaps I'm still not cynical enough, lol. | |
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| Posted by: singleticket 09:17 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:03 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| If one looks deeply enough (the board of the theater, the producers, the cast, the house management, etc) I'm sure someone will somewhere find a political contribution with which he/she disagrees... People are looking now that capitalism took its turn away from neoliberalism to ethno-nationalist gangsterism. Better late than never. |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - singleticket 09:17 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| If people want socialism in the theater, the answer is very simple: everyone is paid the same, from someone making an off-off-Broadway debut, to the biggest name actor. Hugh Jackman will be paid the same as the off-off-Broadway actor. All ticket prices are the same for everyone, and premium pricing is illegal. All ticket prices are "pay what you wish". Let's see if the theater can survive under socialism. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: jconnors 08:54 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| And this response demonstrates that you have little idea of what socialism actually entails. Nice try, though. NEXT! | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Huss417 01:05 pm EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - jconnors 08:54 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
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| The problem is it seems the OP lives to start threads that are divisive. Wouldn't it be great if none of us responded. This will be my last time. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: edinalex 06:51 am EDT 09/01/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Are you being deliberately obtuse or do you just have poor understanding of political terms? I think perhaps you are mixing up socialism with communism. Even then your claims are still spurious. Major democracies around the around the globe, which by the way is definitely round, are run by socialist governments or have been in the past. They do rather well. And I can assure you that not everybody is paid the same! | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 11:33 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| What does any of this have to do with the article you posted? | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 09:39 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Let's see if the theater can survive under socialism. Yeah, right, that'll never work. That's why the Royal Shakespeare Company, National Theatre, and Royal Opera House never got off the ground. |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: singleticket 09:29 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 09:24 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Let's see if the theater can survive under socialism. The theater could survive a nuclear holocaust, or at least Sondheim fans could. |
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| *yawn* | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 08:18 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Given that you're always banging on about how venues that do not conform to YOUR political views should be avoided, you are hardly in a position to whine if others do the same. | |
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| More Summertheater Nonsense | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:16 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
| In reply to: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link - summertheater 07:56 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Did you even read the article before you rushed to post more of your nonsense? No one is talking about shutting the place down, and the parties in question aren't even theater people. Here's the deal: a spate of fashion designers don't want to spend their money to use The Shed to showcase their new fashion lines. They are making a choice to spend their money elsewhere. This is the "crazed vengeance and sickening hatred" that you are hysterically declaiming. What would you propose these business owners do? Would you compel them to spend their money against their will? Is that your idea of freedom? |
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| re: More Summertheater Nonsense | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:47 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Exactly. | |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 08:13 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| "we as a society must demand an end to this pure evil" AGREED! ...and I believe the process is called 'impeachment.' |
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| re: Boycott of The Shed theater space for political reasons - see link | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 08:45 pm EDT 08/31/19 | |
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| Or the 25th Ammendment. | |
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