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| i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:51 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: Heather Headley vs Cynthia Erivo - Zelgo 06:41 am EST 02/14/20 | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: MattPhilly 06:56 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 02:51 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Thank you so much for the wonderful memories of The Wild Party. I was a senior in high school when that was playing and my mom let play hooky on a Wednesday in May to see a matinee. It was a sensational show, and Toni Collette was spectacular. | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: creampuff 11:05 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - MattPhilly 06:56 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I was also in high school when it ran and saw it many times, and am sure it is part of why I am in the theater. An insanely talented cast, excellent production and rich score. It makes you ask what we are doing wrong now...as an industry.... | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: Hair 03:48 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 02:51 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Not at all! Headley in Aida was the second greatest performance I have seen in person. The first is Erivo in Color Purple. |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:55 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:54 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Hair 03:48 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I loved Erivo in Color Purple, as everyone did. But I can't even say she was as great in it as Fantasia in the original version, which was an inferior production. But I'm glad you were so thrilled by Aida. Toni's performance in Wild Party is one of the best and favorite performances I've ver seen in a Broadway musical. Sadly Erivo doesn't even make the top 5, despite how amazing she was. Heather's performance was also extraordinary, but honestly I don't remember nearly as well or as fondly because I didn't love the show like I did Wild Party. |
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| CONTACT was a wonderful show. One of the best I've ever seen and thoroughly original and inventive. | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 01:00 am EST 02/15/20 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 12:59 am EST 02/15/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 03:54 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I was glad it won. It deserved Brantley's rave. Maybe it should've been nominated fo rBest Play but regardless, it was fantastic. | |
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| re: CONTACT was a wonderful show. One of the best I've ever seen and thoroughly original and inventive. | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:46 pm EST 02/15/20 | |
| In reply to: CONTACT was a wonderful show. One of the best I've ever seen and thoroughly original and inventive. - KingSpeed 12:59 am EST 02/15/20 | |
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| I enjoyed the dance/movement work a lot, but for me, only the dance club scene worked on a truly theatrical level. The first section, beautiful as it was, became too much about "how not to get hit when there's a swing coming at you" and the restaurant scene, though I got what it was aiming for, suffered from too much of the "I told you not to fucking move" stuff (i.e. it felt way too one-dimensional theatrically to me). And the prerecorded score...I know, I know...but as a musician, that hits me in a way it might not bother others. Especially when vocals were involved as well - so that the songs became background (like a film score) instead of an integral theatrical part of the moment. Not as satisfying to me. |
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| re: CONTACT was a wonderful show. One of the best I've ever seen and thoroughly original and inventive. | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 09:32 am EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: CONTACT was a wonderful show. One of the best I've ever seen and thoroughly original and inventive. - Chromolume 11:46 pm EST 02/15/20 | |
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| Ironically Contact was that rare Broadway musical that really did have a soundtrack recording instead of a cast album. | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 05:15 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 03:54 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Interesting that not too many people bring up La Chanze's performance, which won a Tony for the original "Color Purple". | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:26 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - PlayWiz 05:15 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| It is interesting. lol. Can't explain it. But good as she is, I think Fantasia blew her away as her replacement, and Erivo's performance in the revival got a lot more buzz because she seemed fresher and more surprising in the role, and she was a new person to Broadway audiences. I don't think it helped La Chanze that people viewed the show less favorably in that production, but Erivo starred in one that made people reconsider it and love it unexpectedly. But she has some stiff competition in 2006, and I'm honestly almost surprised she beat Patti in Sweeney AND Kelli in Pajama Game, both pretty thoroughly raved about performances in raved about popular productions, and then there was also Sutton in Drowsy and Chita in A Dancer's Life, but I don't think either had a chance to beat La Chanze or Patti or Kelli. |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that AIDA should have won ;) (nm | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 03:13 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 03:07 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 02:51 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| It was terrible that Aida wasn’t nominated over Swing! And with contact not having an original score or even orchestra and singing, I think Aida could have beat it. Although i liked wild party and kiss me kate, I think Headley deserved the tony that year. |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that AIDA should have won ;) (nm | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:52 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that AIDA should have won ;) (nm - dramedy 03:07 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Dramedy, I'm with you. ''Aida'' should've won Best Musical over that field. And it did win 4 of its 5 Tony nominations. ''Aida'' also should've gotten at least one more Tony nomination: Sherie Rene Scott for Featured Actress. Loved her! At least audiences loved ''Aida.'' It ran longer than ''Contact,'' ''The Dead,'' ''Swing!'' and ''The Wild Party'' - combined! (And speaking of ''Wild Parties,'' I must admit I wish Andrew Lippa's amazing musical version had moved to Broadway, too!) |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that THE WILD PARTY should have won ;) | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:21 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:15 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that AIDA should have won ;) (nm - dramedy 03:07 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I don't think much of Aida as a musical... I would definitely not have given Best Musical to Contact for Best Musical in a year when there were several good and very compelling original new challenging and/or popular musicals (including Aida), and I am surprised Aida didn't take win it... but I would EASILY have given it to The Wild Party that year, which I consider one of the greater achievements in modern musical theater, and was an incredible production with a mind-blowing cast of legends and rising stars filling out an exceptional and very-utilized ensemble. | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that THE WILD PARTY should have won ;) | |
| Posted by: creampuff 11:06 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that THE WILD PARTY should have won ;) - Chazwaza 03:15 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Well said!! | |
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| Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 03:34 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 03:27 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that CONTACT took the Tony that THE WILD PARTY should have won ;) - Chazwaza 03:15 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Contact, swing!, wild party and James Joyce’s the dead were the four nominees. I think one thing against wild party was Lippa’s version had opened earlier in the season off-broadway so laChiusa version wasn’t that novel on broadway plus it lags a bit in the second act due to the party being over. But People Like Us was the best song of the season in my opinion. I’d love to see a tony award for best song like the oscars that separate movie score and song. I don’t think it would necessarily be the same winner for the same show each season—especially if the one or two new songs added to a juke box would qualify for song category and not score (not meeting 50% requirement). |
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| re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:57 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:52 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical - dramedy 03:27 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I'm sure you'll not be shocked that I'm going to argue about act two. I agree "People Like Us" was the best of the show and of the season, but act two (i assume you mean the part two after midnight, i.e from "After Midnight Dies" and on, as there was no intermission) has other incredible developments and pay offs and songs, like: When the Golden Boy Went Down More Love Ain't Nothin How Many Women in the World When It Ends (wowza!) This Is What It Is and that ending! But either way that isn't even the second half, the majority of the show happens before midnight, and from the opening notes through the entire party section (which ends with "People Like Us") is absolutely thrilling to me - live in the theater and on the album. And I'd say the tone and action in the show and score deflates exactly the right way, the way the party does after it climaxes. I think it's written this way on purpose, and brilliantly. But I'm clearly a bigger fan of the show and of the post-party-climax songs than you. |
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| re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 05:23 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical - Chazwaza 03:52 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I also must lovingly remind you both that The Wild Party on Broadway did not have an act two. The show was performed without an intermission. :-) I understand you probably mean "later in the show", or something to the effect. I believe it was George C. Wolfe who said "parties don't have intermissions", and so the show didn't. I remember having excellent seats third row center. Early in the show Toni Collette threw a powder puff into the audience and I caught it! I still have it too. LOL. And People Like Us WAS thrilling, especially being so close. They came all the way downstage and a sort of fire escape railing rose up through the stage floor, which they leaned on during the song. I think another reason the song is so potent is that it lands as a big complete number amid a lot of snippets and partial songs that come before it (this is probably on purpose), and the fire escape setting is a refreshing visual change from the same party set we'd seen all night up until then. Having seen Contact, Swing, and The Wild Party (my tix to The Dead were refunded when it shuttered), I would have hands down given Best Musical to Contact. I don't want to get into the whole debate, but they did the best they could to categorize a show that didn't fit the traditional definition of a musical. I thought Contact was the most satisfying and fully realized experience of all of them. I didn't think much of Aida at all. I don't have strong feelings about Headley vs. Collette. I thought they both served their shows well but neither inspired a passionate feeling about who should win the Tony. |
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| contact was “a dance play” off broadway | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:27 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical - EvFoDr 05:23 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| And a musical on broadway. I do think it is a dance play without orch and singing. Even lady day at Emerson grill was a play with singer and small band! | |
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| re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:28 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Aida wasn’t nominated for best musical - EvFoDr 05:23 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| I must lovingly, in turn, point out that I noted the lack of intermission in my first paragraph, and then went on to define the divisions of the show's sections in the last paragraph. :) And I agree with Wolfe, and don't think this show should ever be done with an intermission. |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette or Marin Mazzie should have won ;) nm | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 02:57 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 02:56 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette should have won ;) (nm) - Chazwaza 02:51 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette or Marin Mazzie or Audra McDonald should have won ;) nm | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 03:21 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 03:13 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
| In reply to: re: i assume, like me, everyone is still seething that Heather took the Tony that Toni Collette or Marin Mazzie should have won ;) nm - PlayWiz 02:56 pm EST 02/14/20 | |
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| Ha, sure, happy to add her in, but to me in a year of amazing performances it was no contest for who gave the best performance in th most challenging role and show (unrelated to if the show was a popular favorite or not). My list in order would be: 1. Toni Collette 2. Audra McDonald (tie, but with the edge going to Audra I think) 2. Marin Mazzie (tie) 3. Heather Headley 4. Rebecca Luker In any given year, each of them would have been deserving, but I think Toni was extraordinary in a very difficult role that required her to do some heavy acting and singing and also dancing. Not to mention the thrill of the surprise of how incredible she was having only known her as a non-musical film actor. |
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