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| Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 12:02 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 11:55 am EST 02/16/20 | |
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| Can NY State government retake the theater and repay the Kochs? Would circulating and signing a petition help? How long does the Koch name have title to the theater, since Avery Fisher Hall is now named after David Geffen? Just curious, but lawyers out there, have at it. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 08:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - PlayWiz 11:55 am EST 02/16/20 | |
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| I hope you never need excellent orthopedic surgery since the Koch name is on the entrance to Hospital for Special Surgery. I had a great result with great care. If their name bothers you so much I suggest you go to Bellvue or ask Bernie Saunders to make a huge donation. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 01:00 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 12:55 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - fidelio1010 08:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
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| The same way one can tell anti-Semites to avoid getting the polio vaccines and other medicines invented by Jews and to stop listening to nearly all the Great American Songbook except Cole Porter. Mr. Koch didn't do your surgery. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 03:01 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - PlayWiz 12:55 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| He doesn't dance Prince Sigfried either. When did the question become one of Anti Semitism? | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 03:19 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 03:17 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - fidelio1010 03:01 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Why bring up Bernie Sa(u)nders by name? But I wasn't referring to you specifically just similar arguments. I went to the ballet there this past Christmas-time, though preferred to think of going back to the NY State Theater, which carried no politics in its name, just the name of the state in which it is located. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 05:18 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - PlayWiz 03:17 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Bernies's name was brought up because at the moment he happens to be the front runner of the Democratic Party. I could have mentioned Warren but she will not be elected. I could have brought up Bloomberg who certainly could have donated more than the Koch's but he didn't. I am assuming you would have no problem going to the Bloomberg theater. I certainly would not have a problem. But then again sometimes Bloomberg is a Dem and sometimes he's a Republican depending on what works for him. So just go and enjoy the art and stop kvetching about who's name is on the travertine. Be happy there are rich people who are generous because our government does not subsidize the Arts. I would rather have the Koch theater or hospital or museum than empty buildings. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 10:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 10:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - fidelio1010 08:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Fidelio: Bravo for your response to yet another "let me try to work politics onto this board" post. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 02:52 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - CCentero 10:31 am EST 02/17/20 | |
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| I have NO DESIRE to bring politics to this board. I basically read it to get an idea of what worth seeing or avoiding. The question that was posed was about removing a major doner's name to make the structure less offensive. Do the Koch's determine the repertoire? Does a portion of her ticket price go to the Republican Party? I don't run to Geffen Hall because of a gay democrat's magnanimous donation. I'm a gay man and I'm just happy he did it. I find it a bit comical that the two halls are across from each other and that David's name for perpetuity is in lights. I'm in a service business and my clientele is 98% Trump haters, and while I don't support him, I find it reprehensible that if I differed with their opinion, I would lose their patronage. So possibly all of the Never Trumpers could take a portion of their massive stock market gains over the last three years, create a fund, donate it to the Kock Theater and they can rename it. And while they're at it, PLEASE change the seats, they are very uncomfortable |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 03:14 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 02:59 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - fidelio1010 02:52 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Is that rant directed at me? I was actually agreeing with you, Fidelio. I liked your comeback. I'm sick of the political posts on this board masquerading as "on topic." | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 05:37 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - CCentero 02:59 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Not at all. I just got carried away. How much AWFUL MONEY BY BAD PEOPLE has gone through the coffers of the Met, Carnegie, MOMA? We just don't know it yet we enjoy those places. The opera took out a loan on the Chagall murals. Shall we name the theater after Chagall? The Koch Theater was ready to sell the Jasper Johns in the lobby. Call it the JJ Auditorium. Leona Helmsly was thought an awful woman by many; so don't go to New York Hospital. It can go on and on and on. Our government does not subsidize the arts so we should be grateful to anyone will to give generously so that these institutions that make New York what it is, continue to exist. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Last Edit: CCentero 06:18 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| Posted by: CCentero 06:10 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - fidelio1010 05:37 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Thank god Carnegie Hall was funded by the enormous profits from the Carnegie Deli, not the union busting robber baron with the same last name. | |
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| re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? | |
| Posted by: fidelio1010 07:35 am EST 02/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - CCentero 06:10 pm EST 02/17/20 | |
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| Now THAT'S FUNNY! | |
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| Go the personal protest route and | |
| Posted by: Bway802er 05:52 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - PlayWiz 11:55 am EST 02/16/20 | |
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| refer to it exclusively as State Theater. While you're at it, call Geffen Fisher or, if you're feeling particularly old fashioned, Philharmonic Hall. That's what we musicians of a certain age do. |
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| re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 12:26 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: Is there any way the David Koch Theater can become the NY State Theater again through perhaps, legal use of eminent domain? - PlayWiz 11:55 am EST 02/16/20 | |
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| Geffen and LC negotiated a deal with the Avery Fisher Family/Foundation, giving them unenumerated considerations and $15 million, in order to rename the Hall. Geffen's contribution to LC for the Hall and naming was $100 million. Koch gave $100 million to LC in 2008 for the renaming of NY State Theatre. Not sure what his contract stipulates. Knowing that Koch family are not 'play nice' people, I'd assume one would have to refund the $100 million to change the name, And maybe that wouldn't do it either, Lets keep in mind that the LC Board had no ethical light bulb moments in 2008. They knew full well who they were taking money for. And embraced the $ and name change. Because arts boards are made of zillionaires. ANd zillionaires just don't tend to be right thinking progressives. | |
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| re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall | |
| Posted by: Guillaume 01:38 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall - NewtonUK 12:26 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
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| According to Wikipedia, the David Koch family has the rights for theater name for 50 years in exchange for their 100 million for renovation and operating funding. After 50 years, they have right of first refusal for any renaming. | |
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| re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall | |
| Posted by: summertheater 01:02 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall - NewtonUK 12:26 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
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| Is there a reason you're suggesting for renaming it, other than politics? I think it sets a dangerous precendent, similar to the righteous outrage that would occur if the avenues in Harlem were to revert to 6th, 7th and 8th Avenues rather than their named streets. | |
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| re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 09:22 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Avery Fisher morphed into Geffen Hall - summertheater 01:02 pm EST 02/16/20 | |
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| There are lots more dangerous precedents being broken in the news far more chilling than this. But like the poster above called it, I prefer to think of this theater where I attended many NY City Opera performances, as the NY State Theater. | |
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