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| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:29 am EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - GavinLogan1 10:22 am EST 02/19/20 | |
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| "My gay brother despises musicals and absolutely loved SOR on my recommendation." So what does that say about SCHOOL OF ROCK? Talk about a left-handed compliment. It always bothers me when people say, "I hate musicals but I love GUYS & DOLLS," or "I hate musicals but I love WEST SIDE STORY." I wish they could think of a better way to phrase it, rather than something so simplistic. |
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| Last Edit: Chazwaza 01:37 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:19 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - Michael_Portantiere 11:29 am EST 02/19/20 | |
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| That phrase and people who say it is a huge pet peeve of mine. It means they clearly do not hate musicals, they just didn't like the musicals they saw or even more likely they saw a bad production of a musical they might have liked in a great production. People who aren't "theater people" love to decide that one musical speaks for and to what all musicals will be like and seem overly willing to never blame a production of a musical rather than the musical. The overwhelming majority of people who say this, in my experience have seen very few musicals and cannot speak to what most musicals are really like. Even less have seen many *great* musicals, let alone in great productions. (I pretty much always ask follow up questions when I hear this statement, and also would confidently guess based on talking to people through my life that the average person who doesn't "like musicals" or have parents that do, have only seen like 0-5 full musicals (not counting Disney animated films) and usually bad high school productions or films as kids they were half paying attention to) Can any of them imagine seeing a movie they don't like and saying "I hate movies but I love Th Godfather / Titanic / Toy Story (whatever)"?! No way. If they've seen a musical and didn't hate it (let alone if they loved it) then they just simply do not hate musicals. It doesn't have to be a choice between loving all musicals or hating all musicals (sometimes with a mild "not really a musicals person" option), and I don't know why so many people see it that way. |
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| re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment | |
| Posted by: GavinLogan1 04:45 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - Michael_Portantiere 11:29 am EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Good point. But I was reacting more to the comment that they should somehow be targeting their gay audience more-- I was trying to suggest that perhaps there isn't a 'gay' audience or a 'straight' audience or whatever, but rather that some shows have mnore appeal than one little classification box can suggest. But you're right, poorly worded. BTW-- he also loves Book of Mormon and Avenue Q, so I think it's the perceived overt sentimentality of most musical he dislikes, rather than the genre itself. |
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| Last Edit: Chazwaza 01:40 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:31 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - GavinLogan1 04:45 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Okay, again, you picked out part of what I said and keep presenting it like it was the whole thought. I didn't say that they should "be targeting" or that they should "only cater to" their adult gay audience, as you claimed in another comment (I guess you think the musicals I mentioned that they did recently, ACL, ITW, Annie, Hairspray, only target gay audiences, since you think that's what I was saying). I didn't even ONLY mention gays as those that may be less interested in buying tickets for this. (But also if you think programming a major summer staged concert of a broadway musical, based mainly on wide interested and name recognition and don't think that the gay and childless-straight audience is a major factor in who you're selling tickets to, you probably not aware of your market. I'm not saying the show won't please a big audience or sell well, but I do know a lot of gays and childless-straights in their 20s,30s,40s who have no interested in a musical they likely didn't know existed and seems to be mainly a showcase for the kid talent and family appeal, or doing what will be perceived to be a broadway-izing of a cool movie they remember loving from 17 years ago.) Also, while I know you are speaking for your brother I can't help but react... I don't think it's fair to say that "most" musicals do not have an overt sentimentality, any more than "most" musicals aren't funny or sad - his expose to musicals, besides the two musicals he loved, may have him thinking that but it's so strange to me to dismiss an entire art form, or categorize it a certain way, based on a small sampling. All "most" musicals for sure have is songs sung by characters in context. If you brother loved two musicals, both with quite different points and aims (besides entertainment, laughs, and having characters sing, which all musicals that are comedies have in common), then he most certainly does not hate musicals. |
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| re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:53 pm EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - Chazwaza 01:31 am EST 02/20/20 | |
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| "If you brother loved two musicals, both with quite different points and aims (besides entertainment, laughs, and having characters sing, which all musicals that are comedies have in common), then he most certainly does not hate musicals.'" Exactly. And if he loved two musicals, he would probably love a lot more of them if he gave them a chance and didn't go in with preconceived notions (if he went to see them at all). This is why I really abhor gross generalizations. |
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| re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 06:37 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: enormous sigh of disinterest and disappointment - GavinLogan1 04:45 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| "I was reacting more to the comment that they should somehow be targeting their gay audience more-- I was trying to suggest that perhaps there isn't a 'gay' audience or a 'straight' audience or whatever, but rather that some shows have mnore appeal than one little classification box can suggest." On this, we certainly agree. "He also loves Book of Mormon and Avenue Q, so I think it's the perceived overt sentimentality of most musical he dislikes, rather than the genre itself." Perhaps. Maybe someday he'll learn to appreciate more sincere, heartfelt musicals as well. |
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