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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 03:35 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - WaymanWong 03:29 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| I wouldn't call SING STREET a Juke Box musical. The majority of songs were written for the film. One 'jukebox' song that survived from film to musical is being replaced by an original song. But still not enough to qualify. Too bad w can't give the Tony to American Utopia, IMHO the best score of any show on Broadway this season by 1000 miles, although it was not, of course, a musical, but a concert with dancing. | |
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| that's not what I'd call a bad thing... | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:14 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - NewtonUK 03:35 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Why is it too bad that American Utopia isn't eligible for Best Score? As you said it's not even a musical, it's a concert. A concert of very famously and celebrated pre-existing non-theater music (some of my favorite ever). Why should it be able to compete for an award specifically for original music written for the theater for a musical (or on occasion a play)? I love that music, but I'm quite glad and grateful it isn't eligible, and I hope we do not come to a time when it would be. I could imagine a time when there is a category for best use of pre-existing songs for a score (i.e. jukebox), but this score for this score wouldn't be eligible for that even. This is a concert on broadway, not a broadway musical. As concerts on Broadway, especially of non-theater music, become more and more common and popular, I think it's very important to keep this distinction clear. (and of course we must remember and assume that the songs we love so much that make up the "score" to American Utopia probably would never have existed or be the way they are had they been written for a musical. And David Byrne has written musicals, and even his most successful and acclaimed effort - Here Lies Love - is wonderful but comes no where near these songs, in my opinion. Writing songs FOR the theater in the context of an actual musical is not only hard but usually a very different thing than a pop album or stand-alone song... I am sure I'm not saying anything you don't know, it just struck me as odd that you chose to compare this concert to the other original musicals or jukebox musicals. But perhaps there should be a jukebox musical for Talking Heads and/or Bryne) ... just wanted to defend the category and form a bit, I don't think it's a fair comparison or the same weight class at all. |
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| re: that's not what I'd call a bad thing... | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 12:55 pm EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: that's not what I'd call a bad thing... - Chazwaza 02:14 am EST 02/20/20 | |
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| This would likely have been a good fit for the Special Theatrical Event category that was tried and dropped a few years ago. Also probably FREESTYLE LOVE SUPREME this season. | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 03:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - NewtonUK 03:35 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| AMERICAN UTOPIA didn't even invite Tony voters, so unfortunately they won't be eligible for anything at all. | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: NewtonUK 05:50 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - carolinaguy 03:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| They didnt invite voters because they weren't a show - not a musical for sure. I guess they could have said they were a revue and invited voters - but I dont think Tony is on their minds. Tho, if they gave a Tony to Springstreen for showing up (again - voters never were invited), Byrne should get one for a brilliant evening in the theatre. | |
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| Can’t Byrne still get a special Tony ... | |
| Posted by: kieran 05:13 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - carolinaguy 03:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| like Springsteen did? | |
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| re: Can’t Byrne still get a special Tony ... | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 05:22 pm EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: Can’t Byrne still get a special Tony ... - kieran 05:13 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Of course he COULD Still get a special Tony. If Springsteen got one, why not? And even if Byrne doesn't get a special Tony, I would imagine the producers can count on some kind of coverage during the Tony ceremony, especially now that it has been announced the show will be returning. | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: UpstateGuy 04:02 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - carolinaguy 03:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Unfortunately? Seems like they knew exactly what they were doing... the lack of recognition at Tony time clearly didn't affect their decision and the excitement around their return to Broadway in September. It isn't always about the awards... and look at the money they made by not having to comp those Tony voters! | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 04:38 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 04:33 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - UpstateGuy 04:02 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Exactly. The score, although excellent, was made up of songs from Byrne's various albums -- it would not have been eligible for the score Tony. The show itself, although an outstanding entertainment, would have been unlikely to win the Best Musical Tony. By deciding to forego Tony consideration, it was easier for the show to become a substantial hit, recoup it's investment, and provide its investors with a nice profit. What's wrong with that? | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: carolinaguy 04:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - BroadwayTonyJ 04:33 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with the approach from a business standpoint. Lots of shows have gone the no-Tony route recently, including the SUNDAY revival which would have been a threat to win a few. It's more unfortunate for the Tonys, which will likely now have filler nominees in categories where something like AU would have been more deserving. | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Posted by: schlepper 05:21 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - carolinaguy 04:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| What other categories would American Untopia have been eligible for? Maybe best choreography? That's about it. Also, I'm pretty sire that Springsteen on Broadway did not invite Tony voters -- so there's always a strong possibility that Byrne will get a Special Tony anyway. | |
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| re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 05:29 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 05:21 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - carolinaguy 04:40 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| Too bad the category of Special Theatrical Event was retired a decade ago. It could've included ''American Utopia'' and ''Freestyle Love Supreme,'' etc. As for Byrne, I keep secretly hoping that his spectacular score (with Fatboy Slim) to ''Here Lies Love'' makes it to Broadway someday. Those songs are so fun and infectious, and deserve to win the Tony. I loved that story of Imelda Marcos, set to a rocking disco-pop score, and the cast was incredible. Last July, Alex Timbers, who directed ''Here Lies Love'' (and the current ''Moulin Rouge!''), was asked on a Billboard podcast about the show's future. He said: ''The dream is Broadway. We're actively working on it.'' Timbers said they had done a test version at Seattle Rep (in 2017) that sought to capture the immersive, dance-club feel of the production at the Public but in a proscenium theater. ''We're real excited about it.'' |
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| Link | 'Here Lies Love': 'A booty-shaking blast of pure joy!' |
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| would Here Lies Love have won the Tony? | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 02:26 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:23 am EST 02/20/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Keeping score: Which new musicals will be Tony-eligible for original music? - WaymanWong 05:21 pm EST 02/19/20 | |
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| I loved Here Lies Love and the score was wonderful and fun, but the show felt a little too straight-forward and surface level in its exploration of the subject and character. It was an awesome theatrical experience and the score was the key part of it, with the staging and cast as the other two parts. But I never think about it beyond that, and I wish it made me think more. And honestly, for some weird reason, I think it's one of the few original musicals I've seen and loved and not listened to the cast album of since I saw it. Had it been on Broadway the year it was off-broadway, it would have competed against either the 2013 group: Kinky Boots (winner), Matilda, Hands On a Hardbody, A Christmas Story OR 2014 group: Bridges of Madison County (winner), Aladdin, Gentleman's Guide, If/Then. I think you're right... in either year, it deserved Best Score, and would probably have easily won it. (Kinky Boots, to me, is one of the laziest and least interesting scores to ever win a Tony - so I'd have happily seen Bryne take it that year instead... and I say that as a definitely Lauper fan, for the record) I also dare day it would have won Best Musical either year as well. More easily in 2014 but still. |
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