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| Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Last Edit: Teacher64 03:20 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| One of our local community theaters is talking about what show to do when everything opens up again. They want to do something fun, uplifting, with a familiar title and that has opportunities across all age groups. One of the shows that came up was BYE BYE BIRDIE. As one of their "go to" people for directing musicals I thought I would look into it. I vaguely remember playing Randolph in a production many, many years ago. But I really don't recall much about the show (other than singing "Ed Sullivan" over and over). I asked a friend of mine who works at a professional regional theater about the show and she sent me their archival video of a production they did about 18 years ago. I have to say, I did not find the show likable at all. I had a hard time figuring out who the main character was; as in, who are we supposed to care about? Albert was not very likable, and I found myself hoping that Rose dumps him. BUT, there were parts of the show that were VERY uncomfortable; the dance number with the Shriners, and the town chasing after Birdie after he tried to have sex with a high school girl (she even referred to herself as "jailbait".) I just don't know how this show would work in 2020. I seem to recall the last Broadway revival being slammed by the critics (was John Stamos in that one?). Does this show still work in 2020? Did the last revival have any "updates"? I am thinking I need to offer then an alternative. Any suggestions? |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: Pokernight 07:48 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| Probably, if done as campy satire, it could. It was a satire to begin with -- how else does one explain Paul Lynde as a Mid-western family man? The original was bright and breezy. Both Chita and Dick were delightful. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? Doubt it | |
| Posted by: tmdonahue (tmdonahue@yahoo.com) 09:06 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I saw the 1992 revival with Tommy Tune during its Chicago run. I'm old enough to remember who Ed Sullivan was (His Sunday night show was sacred in my family home) and vaguely remember Elvis going into the service. And Tommy Tune! And Marc Kudisch, Susan Egan, Steve Zahn, and Marilyn Cooper---who knew? It stank. A piece of old cheese. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: TGWW 06:00 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| Of course always treat your audience like idiots that don't realize it's a period piece and that's how life was in the day. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: showbuzz 12:57 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| WOW! i LUVED doing BBB the 3 times I have gotten to do it but in recent years some of the things you mention are problems..."jailbait"/Shriners/ and now Mama's monologues talking about crop pickers and Mexicans ruining an American mother's life...YIKES! Mrs Peterson doesn't come off as funny because of recent historical events...that's now a BIG problem. The tv version was a lot of fun. The ENCORES vs was problematic including a deadly Walter Bobby as Mr MacAfee and Doris Roberts phoning it in! The less said about the Roundabout production the better!!! Proof that show can be ruined by bad casting choices and not trusting the script! If you do do it...try and get permission to make judicial cuts.....and it is important to play it clearly as 1960! The score is wonderful and plays like gangbusters and there is a lot of fun still to be had w/the book! THE TELEPHONE HOUR/HOSNESTLY SINCERE and A LOT OF LIVING TO DO are wonderful . Not to mention the sweetness of ONE BOY and the classic ,if terribly long, PUT ON A HAPPY FACE. With that being said...how about HAIRSPRAY? : ) ... being honestly sincere! Good Luck! |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:14 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| In addition to all of the issues you mention, I think a huge issue is that the script of the movie of BBB, which is far better known than the show script (for obvious reasons), is VASTLY different from the show script. I think one impetus behind the production of the TV version with Vanessa Williams, Jason Alexander, et al. was to establish the show script (or something much closer to it) as better know, but I feel like that didn't happen because that version was pretty bad overall. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 05:08 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:06 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Michael_Portantiere 12:14 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Which is a shame since the script and story of the stage version are, over all, much better than the one used for the movie. The ridiculous storyline with the speed tortoise especially. Lucky for the stage show, I don't think the movie is SO popular with families of the last 25 years that stage productions have to expect disappointment if their version isn't the same as the movie, like Grease might. Though stage productions would probably do well/not be harmed to incorporate the famous and delightful title song. Did the writers ever make it part of the licensed stage version? |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 07:45 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Chazwaza 05:06 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| "Which is a shame since the script and story of the stage version are, over all, much better than the one used for the movie. The ridiculous storyline with the speed tortoise especially." I certainly agree about the tortoise and the speed-up pills, but in my opinion, both the show script and the movie script have their really good and REALLY bad moments. I think a lot of the jokes are funnier in the movie than in the show script. I do agree with whoever wrote in this thread that the character of Albert is really not very likeable in either version, largely because of the way he treats Rosie. |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: champagnesalesman 10:15 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| It worked really well in the 1991 tour...but then it starred Tommy Tune, Ann Reinking(and later the equally dazzling Lenora Nemetz)Marilyn Cooper, Mark Kudisch, Susan Egan, Steve Zahn and Belle Callaway... just a fantastic cast that made the show fantastic. The Roundabout production was poorly cast. I missed the Encores version...what did people think of that? I had high hopes for the Kennedy Center version that had been scheduled to open this weekend |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: theotherwasblue 07:33 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I think there are moments that are genuinely funny and enjoyable, but some book scenes drag on and material doesn’t land well. Even years ago I thought some of Conrad’s interactions with the teens were questionable. I’ve seen a good amount of productions cut the Shriner’s dance, thankfully. Albert’s mom is a fun role for an older character actress (throw in her act 2 song for fun). The music still holds up. I think it’s one of those shows that so many people can see/have seen at community theatres/schools that a major mounting seems unnecessary. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: BigM 05:42 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - theotherwasblue 07:33 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I think it's a very well crafted show that would certainly work now. I don't get what's so problematic about the Shriners' ballet. Spanish Rose seems a lot more awkward, at least to me, but a good enough Rosie could probably sell it. And I certainly don't think the film (which I found pretty awful) is popular enough with today's audience to get in the way. | |
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| The same can be said about music man and west side story | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - theotherwasblue 07:33 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| And yet there are a highly anticipated revivals | |
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| re: The same can be said about music man and west side story | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:07 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: The same can be said about music man and west side story - dramedy 07:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| "The same can be said about music man and west side story." What do you feel is "the same" that can be said about WEST SIDE STORY and THE MUSIC MAN as compared to BYE, BYE BIRDIE? I think the scripts of the first two are vastly superior to the third, with little or no material that now plays as tremendously dated and politically incorrect. |
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| Major remounting on broadway | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:34 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The same can be said about music man and west side story - Michael_Portantiere 12:07 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Due to local productions. I think WSS and MM are done locally also and yet we still get broadway revivals every 10-20 years. | |
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| re: Major remounting on broadway | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:34 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Major remounting on broadway - dramedy 01:34 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Ah, thanks for clarifying. | |
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| re: The same can be said about music man and west side story | |
| Posted by: keikekaze 07:47 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: The same can be said about music man and west side story - dramedy 07:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| If Hugh Jackman were going to do Bye Bye Birdie, that would be a highly anticipated revival too! ; ) | |
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| re: The same can be said about music man and west side story | |
| Posted by: Mac29 05:50 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The same can be said about music man and west side story - keikekaze 07:47 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| If Hugh Jackman was just greeting patrons in the lobby and he wasn't even in the production, people would flock to that theatre. | |
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| re: The same can be said about music man and west side story | |
| Posted by: theotherwasblue 09:39 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The same can be said about music man and west side story - keikekaze 07:47 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| While I agree, I don’t believe Bye Bye Birdie is as highly regarded as the other two shows. | |
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| Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 11:11 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The same can be said about music man and west side story - theotherwasblue 09:39 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| While BBB is an enjoyable musical with a fun story, solid characters and a generally wonderful score, it doesn't hold up to even a B grade level of the best of Broadway, in my opinion. In the 60s and 70s, sure, maybe it was a B musical in an A production, but with 60 years of new musicals since it just doesn't make the cut at all. But even when it came out, competing for a place in the history of notably brilliant musicals, it didn't hold a candle to WSS or MM. | |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: theotherwasblue 12:51 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - Chazwaza 11:11 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I think either Disney Channel or Nickelodeon should do a modern adaptation of it. Could easily be brought up to date. | |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 01:42 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:40 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - theotherwasblue 12:51 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| How could it be brought up to date? We no longer have the draft (the event that puts the whole story in motion), we're not in a war, and although there's always a "generation gap," the mores are very different now than in the 50's. (Let alone the whole concept of a random young high school girl being kissed by a hunky rock star on national TV would play very very differently now.) I think it works best left in its time period, otherwise it just wouldn't be Bye Bye Birdie anymore. | |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: theotherwasblue 02:08 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - Chromolume 01:40 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| a loose adaptation of it could very much be done with some bright eyed, fresh faced teen star. obviously, it wouldn’t be a direct adaptation with the war and draft, and that’s what writers are for. it wouldn’t be the Bye Bye Birdie everyone knows per se (and that might be for the best), but it could be fun. | |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:59 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - theotherwasblue 02:08 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| It wouldn’t be the Bye Bye Birdie everyone knows per se At which point I say - just write a new show instead, instead of sorta kinda not really doing the original one? |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:44 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - Chromolume 08:59 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| "It wouldn’t be the Bye Bye Birdie everyone knows per se. At which point I say - just write a new show instead, instead of sorta kinda not really doing the original one?" Of course. If anyone were foolish enough to attempt to update BYE, BYE BIRDIE, it would have to so completely rewritten -- including the text and most of the songs -- that it would bear virtually no resemblance to the original. One could try to write a new show about a music phenomenon in the present day, sort of generally inspired by BIRDIE, but it would have to be an entirely new show with a new score and a new book. I may have mentioned this before, but I once came across a script of a very weird revisal of BIRDIE, presumably from the early or mid '60s, that centered not around an Elvis Presley-type character but around a group called "The Birdies," meant as a takeoff on the Beatles. Just from reading it, I thought that idea didn't work at all! |
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| re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 02:38 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Music Man and WSS especially are masterpieces, BBB is not - Chromolume 08:59 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| It is so specifically rooted in a brief era in American culture, an era in which rock and roll was seen as a passing fad, that the only way to approach it would be as a period piece. Time has been kind to the Eisenhower presidency, but the era itself epitomizes what so many have tried to move on from. Is anyone nostalgic for it? Should they be? Would a black Birdie help? |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 05:09 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| The Roundabout revival was slammed because it was just bad all over. I don't think it was about the piece. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Last Edit: PlazaBoy 05:38 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 05:32 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - sirpupnyc 05:09 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| It was surprisingly bad. It did contain one bit of business that I thought was wonderful though. During Honestly Sincere in addition to the girls fainting as always, they had at least one of the male chorus faint from excitement/attraction too. it was a sly and fun update, probably not noticeable to everyone. Like others, I thought the TV version was great. |
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| Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 11:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - PlazaBoy 05:32 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| A boy fainting over another boy isn't an update. It's just the truth. | |
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| re: When I did it at college.... | |
| Posted by: TourBoi 07:08 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Being gay isn't new. - KingSpeed 11:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I was the second one who was directed to faint. We had several guys faint actually. | |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
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| Posted by: PlazaBoy 02:31 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Being gay isn't new. - KingSpeed 11:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I'm pretty sure you knew that I didn't mean being gay was new. What was new (or updated) was the inclusion/visibility of a boy's attraction to Conrad. The way it was staged, it was clear that the boy was overcome in the same way the girls were. I had not seen that done before. Perhaps you have? It was deliberate and quite different than having all the boys faint. |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:59 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Being gay isn't new. - KingSpeed 11:44 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I seem to remember that when I played Harry McAfee way back when (I was 13, lol), we ALL ultimately fainted, though I assume the girls did so first. | |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 12:09 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Chromolume 11:59 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| In the movie, all of the people present -- including all of the guys -- eventually faint at the end of "Honestly Sincere." | |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:10 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Michael_Portantiere 12:09 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| except that is not the same thing... everyone fainting does imply that it's purely a gay sexual attraction (even if it is the power of his sexuality)... one guy fainting along with the girl makes a clear indication that the guy is gay. | |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 03:53 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Chazwaza 05:10 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| "Except that is not the same thing... everyone fainting does imply that it's purely a gay sexual attraction (even if it is the power of his sexuality)... one guy fainting along with the girl makes a clear indication that the guy is gay." Agreed, it makes it much more explicit than the group-fainting scene. |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 02:26 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Chazwaza 05:10 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Exactly! | |
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| Posted by: PlazaBoy 02:24 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Chazwaza 05:10 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| It was about the context. It was clear the boy was attracted to Conrad. Much different than all the boys fainting. | |
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| *doesN'T (typo, sorry) nm | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 12:41 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Chazwaza 05:10 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| nm | |
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| re: Being gay isn't new. | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:06 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Being gay isn't new. - Michael_Portantiere 12:09 am EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Yes, it's a nod to Gone With the Wind with everyone lying down dead. I'm of course saying that showing a young man fainting over Birdie because he is gay is NOT an "update." | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:40 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| It's a great show that absolutely works in 2020. Maybe the production you watched was a bad production. I love the TV version, especially their use of the title song from the movie. | |
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| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:11 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - KingSpeed 04:40 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| One of my favorite videos to watch on YouTube. | |
| Link | "Bye Bye Birdie" |
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| I prefer the Ann-Margret version | |
| Posted by: aleck 10:45 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| Although it has nothing whatsoever to do with the character or the situation. As a teen, I remember my jaw dropping when I saw it and wishing it would never end. This "teen" would have prompted Birdie to go permanently AWOL or grown a heel spur to stay out of the army. Nothing in any high school in Ohio looked liked that! | |
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| I just watched the 1995 tv version a few days ago | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 04:31 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 04:29 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| It’s on broadwayhd. I was surprised how much I enjoyed seeing it again. It’s not a cd I listen to often. Rosie is the lead. She’s the one that changed Albert to marry him. It was Stamos, I didn’t see it and I don’t think it extended even though roundabout I think wanted a long run in the new Sondheim theater. If you are looking for politically correct 50s then I suggest hairspray. That is a crowd pleaser with lots of different cast members shining. |
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| re: I just watched the 1995 tv version a few days ago | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 04:38 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: I just watched the 1995 tv version a few days ago - dramedy 04:29 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| Yes, Rosie sings the "I Want" song. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 03:46 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - Teacher64 03:18 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: andyboy 03:52 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - lordofspeech 03:46 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I don't know BIRDIE well enough to comment on whether it works for today's audiences. I will say that if you have a multi-cultural cast, HAIRSPRAY is a recognizable title, is upbeat, and employs a cast of all ages. | |
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| re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? | |
| Posted by: chrismpls 07:22 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Does BYE BYE BIRDIE work in 2020? - andyboy 03:52 pm EDT 04/25/20 | |
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| I saw a high school production a couple years ago, which may not be the same version that would be licensed to your group, but several scenes made me cringe, particularly the stuff with the Shriners. | |
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