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| Live sports vs. theater | |
| Posted by: singleticket 12:26 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Cuomo is talking about professional sports resuming without audiences. It might work as an economic model as the event would change for each new broadcast. Also, professional sports might have the money and resources to test everyone involved. But would this model work for commercial theater in the near future? | |
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| re: Live sports vs. theater | |
| Posted by: mikem 01:55 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Live sports vs. theater - singleticket 12:26 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| I think one big difference is that most people are already watching sports on television rather than in the stadium. So most sports consumers are going to get a similar experience whether there's a live audience or not. In general, taped theater performances don't have a huge market, because they aren't the same to the consumer as the live version. |
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| re: Live sports vs. theater | |
| Posted by: mattyp4 06:32 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Live sports vs. theater - mikem 01:55 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| I was just talking about this with my boyfriend. I feel like Broadway theaters aren't going to be operating at full capacity for quite some time. At least a year. Even when things start reopening this summer there's probably going to be an audience cap, and no Broadway producer is going to want to run a show at half-capacity (or less). Unless they triple the ticket prices or something! Broadway needs paying audiences, unlike sports (which have broadcast deals in place), and TV show tapings (where tickets are already free), etc. So I was thinking, what if they find a way to test the cast/crew/musicians (antibody testing perhaps?), put on shows and broadcast/stream each performance somewhere for a fee? Maybe do this daily, or once a week. I know, I know, theater is best experienced live, but I just don't see us able to gather for a while. I would rather stream Broadway shows for the next year than have nothing until next spring. I mean, I had tickets to Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf for the day after Broadway shut down. Given the option I would GLADLY pay the cost of a ticket to watch Laurie Metcalf as Martha on my television. I'd rather that than have nothing! And yes I realize it would be a huge financial/technological/union undertaking, but I'm just spit-balling here. The only other option I see is half-empty houses with spaced-out audiences, required face masks & exorbitant ticket prices. I would be fine with watching a few shows from home. I'd pay for something like that. Again, just temporarily! Like until there's a vaccine. |
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| Advertising is already in place for sports | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:35 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Live sports vs. theater - mikem 01:55 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| So nothing new to invent or grow to have commercials for sporting events. And like you pointed out, probably 90% of audience already watch sports on tv. Theater has terrible track record on tv. Only big names draw in anything close to acceptable numbers on these live musicals. The award theater ceremonies pale in comparison to movies or pop music. So where would these advertisers come from. |
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| re: Advertising is already in place for sports | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:18 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Advertising is already in place for sports - dramedy 02:35 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| It is not just advertising, the broadcast deals are in place. TV revenue for baseball is roughly twice gate receipts as I recall and over $2 billion so it is a no brainer that broadcasting in empty stadiums is a successful business model. | |
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| re: Advertising is already in place for sports | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:48 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Advertising is already in place for sports - dramedy 02:35 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Not to mention that there's an advantage to watching sports on TV. For example, you can see much better, and you avoid fans who can be much worse than any theatre-texter ever was. And the regional, competitive nature of sports and the history make it a slam dunk (pun intended). Two very different things. |
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| The real problem is acting and unions. | |
| Last Edit: dramedy 01:50 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:47 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Live sports vs. theater - singleticket 12:26 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| A sporting event has an unknown outcome and consequences as a team moves toward a final show off like Stanley,World Cup or super bowl. So a season has to be played out and everyone gets paid for season. A show has a defined ending. So one taping of a performance is it. Yes there is nuance of performance but nothing to tape multiple performances 8 times a Week for months. So actors might get paid a lot for one performance that could be sold to a few hundred thousand people (probably the number of tickets sold for fathom events). But really doesn’t help the industry as a whole like sporting events would. |
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| re: Live sports vs. theater | |
| Posted by: Bwayguy 12:42 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Live sports vs. theater - singleticket 12:26 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| No. | |
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| I'm inclined to agree | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 01:38 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 01:37 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Live sports vs. theater - Bwayguy 12:42 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| The symbiosis that exists between actors and audience is not analogous to sports. Could they stage shows without an audience? Sure. Would it "work"? I suspect it would be flat and lifeless. (Edited to add: Wasn't one of those "live" TV musicals done without an audience? I remember the incredibly awkward silence at the end of musical numbers...") |
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| Tv sitcoms have used canned laughter for decades. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:41 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: I'm inclined to agree - MockingbirdGirl 01:37 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. I think that will be explored to fill in the post song with appropriate level of clapping. | |
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| I can't imagine *anything* that would turn me off televised theatre quicker than canned laughter (nm) | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 02:01 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Tv sitcoms have used canned laughter for decades. - dramedy 01:41 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| re: I can't imagine *anything* that would turn me off televised theatre quicker than canned laughter (nm) | |
| Posted by: PlazaBoy 02:21 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: I can't imagine *anything* that would turn me off televised theatre quicker than canned laughter (nm) - MockingbirdGirl 02:01 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Agreed. I can't watch sitcoms that use canned laughter even if they are well written. The minute the laugh track begins, I'm done. | |
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| Isn’t that almost all comedies? | |
| Posted by: dramedy 02:38 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: I can't imagine *anything* that would turn me off televised theatre quicker than canned laughter (nm) - PlazaBoy 02:21 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Will and grace was still live and maybe the connors. But most are canned or just no track like sex and the city. To be honest, I could use a bit for weekend update on SNLive. It’s a little jarring having no response. | |
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| re: Isn’t that almost all comedies? | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 07:15 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: Isn’t that almost all comedies? - dramedy 02:38 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| I watch almost zero TV, but I didn't think there is ANY canned laughter at all for sitcoms anymore, I thought they all are either recorded before a live audience with live laughter, or for shows like MODERN FAMILY are just filmed with no laughs, live or recorded. | |
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| re: Live sports vs. theater | |
| Posted by: goodfriendnj 12:58 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Live sports vs. theater - Bwayguy 12:42 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| Cuomo also acknowledged that players might need to take less money, if there's less money coming in from ticket sales. The arts community should take note. (I'm speaking of theater, dance and opera.) He also said "let's get creative." Indeed. |
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| re: Live sports vs. theater | |
| Last Edit: Ann 02:28 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:27 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Live sports vs. theater - goodfriendnj 12:58 pm EDT 04/26/20 | |
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| I don't think you can really compare theatre actors' salaries with those of professional athletes, even relatively, especially when it comes to thinking of being able to make a sacrifice. | |
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