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| Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| the latest installment. follow the money. connect the dots. |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: AnObserver 08:16 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| And if you paid one penny to see Kinky Boots then you contributed to it??? | |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: Jnf663 06:23 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| What the hell is this dude's deal? I liked his first essay but the rest have all been whiny, masturbatory garbage. | |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: theaterisok 04:56 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Dr. Mr. Grissom, please present solutions. Otherwise, you're part of the problem. | |
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| Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: singleticket 04:09 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Daryl Roth appeared on Trump’s NBC program “The Apprentice.” Daryl and Steven Roth attended the wedding of Donald Trump and Melania Knauss. Daryl and Steven Roth attended the “American carnage” inauguration of Donald Trump, and Steven Roth was also present at the desultory “victory” party for Trump on election night. Daryl Roth happily accepted an invitation from Trump to join the Board of Governors of the Kennedy Center, along with other bastions of cultural worth such as Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas and Jon Voight, who has asked us to thank God for the rise and reign of Donald J. Trump. |
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| re: Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: AnObserver 08:18 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: Is this part true? - singleticket 04:09 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Frank Rich wrote about the son's wedding in a lengthy article about Roy Cohn. Playbill I think says Board of Trustees. | |
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| re: Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: larry13 04:51 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Is this part true? - singleticket 04:09 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| There is no question that Steven Roth was(is?)a major business partner of Trump. There is no question that Jordan Roth is a prominent critic of Trump. Daryl Roth appears to not take sides, while being a devoted wife and mother. Maybe that isn't good enough but accepting a position at the Kennedy Center(whether "happily" or not)is not outrageous in my book. |
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| re: Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 05:00 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is this part true? - larry13 04:51 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| appearing to not take sides while living off the proceeds of wealth earned in partnership with thiefs, liars, criminals and scumbags is called blood money. | |
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| re: Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: StageLover 05:13 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is this part true? - manchurch03104 05:00 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Are you sure YOU"RE not Grissom? | |
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| re: Is this part true? | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 07:21 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is this part true? - StageLover 05:13 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| you caught me! | |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: FleetStreetBarber 03:17 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| This rant seems best left in the author's diary in a closet. But one thing peaked my interest, namely his apparent objection to Daryl Roth accepting a position on the Kennedy Center Board. Unless she has acted against the interests of the performing arts community of which she is a part, why not accept such a position and possibly advocate for the arts? We all know they need all the help they can get. Whom would he prefer, Betsy DeVos? Of course, the writer provides no substance, thereby weakening his argument, if you can call it that. | |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Last Edit: finally 09:23 pm EDT 07/03/20 | |
| Posted by: finally 09:20 pm EDT 07/03/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - FleetStreetBarber 03:17 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Actually, DeVos was already on their board, appointed by GW Bush last decade. There was an arts management program that was named after her because she and her husband gave a big gift. Kennedy Center board appointments are done by every President and often are given to supporters, so it's not a big leap to assume Roth is loyal enough to warrant the position. Maybe she lobbied for it? Don't really know. It's a good bet that the appointees at least support the party of the person doing the appointment. Has always been that way. Lots of other people make up the membership via staggered terms, though, so it is generally a bipartisan mix. |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 03:37 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - FleetStreetBarber 03:17 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| I think his point is that she was appointed at the same time as Mike Huckabee and Jon Voight, two Trump-supporting Republicans. Ergo, so is she. | |
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| re: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:26 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| "Money talks, stomps, supersedes all values. We cannot have Dustin Hoffman back on Broadway because of some accusations of sexual harassment, but the Roth checks keep clearing and actors go blind and deaf. " Say what? Has the Our Town been scrapped already, or is Grissom festering animosity via a reductive take on the cyber response to the Rudin announcement? I'm sure I've answered my own question here. |
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| Pass | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 01:13 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Dirty Money: The Roth/Trump/Kushner Connection, by James Grissom - manchurch03104 01:06 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Life's too short. | |
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| Right! | |
| Posted by: Hair 01:52 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Pass - MockingbirdGirl 01:13 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| I mean, it's only the existence of our Democracy and many many thousands of American lives! WHO HAS THE TIME TO CARE?!?! |
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| Shockingly... | |
| Last Edit: MockingbirdGirl 01:54 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 01:53 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Right! - Hair 01:52 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| ... there are plenty of ways to work toward preserving our democracy that don't necessitate reading this particular article. Grow up. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 01:27 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Pass - MockingbirdGirl 01:13 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| It’s shorter than the last one, not as tittilating, and more or less a continuation of shaming the Roths for being associated, financially and socially, with the President. There’s some more snide personal stuff about Jordan Roth himself. It’s overall not that derogatory unless you are one of the many who disdain anything connected to the President. What surprises me is that he considers both the Roths such bad producers. Are they? |
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| He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 08:28 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - lordofspeech 01:27 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| I've decided James Grissom is the latest avatar of Dr. Charles Kinbote. They seem to have the same degree of annoying dudgeon--though Kinbote was at least amazing. | |
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| re: He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Last Edit: singleticket 01:10 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| Posted by: singleticket 01:09 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: He is but a Pale Fire - BruceinIthaca 08:28 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Kinbote was amazing, more so than the poet John Shade which I think was the main comic point of the novel. I see Grissom more as a caricaturist who strikes good targets but uses racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic tropes to trigger new outrages through ancient animosities. He probably doesn't see himself as using these tropes but he is using them. |
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| re: He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 10:40 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: He is but a Pale Fire - singleticket 01:09 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| I agree--his self-delusion is far less comic than the good professor's Frank Galati used to do a brilliant solo performance as Kinbote. Who could we cast as Grissom? It also makes me think of Paul Theroux's "Sir Vidia's Shadow," in which he writes about his "friendship" with V.S. Naipaul. Some unreliable narrators are more entertaining than others. |
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| re: He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:41 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: He is but a Pale Fire - BruceinIthaca 08:28 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| The same degree of credibility too? Or would you prefer to rank them? | |
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| re: He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 10:45 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: He is but a Pale Fire - ryhog 08:41 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| I could not say, as I have no idea to what degree Grissom is accurate. His rhetoric lacks credibility--one of the two main components of ethos in Aristotle's rhetoric. It doesn't mean he has his facts wrong--I do not have that kind of insider knowledge--but he certainly undercuts the degree to which many readers may grant his accounts truth status. Like Kinbote, he is somewhat parasitic in his relationship to Williams--and he has not found another genius to latch onto, barnacle like. I doubt he is the deposed king of Zembla--but then, was Kinbote. And, of course, there are readings that argue that Shade and his poem were inventions of Kinbote. Maybe the Williams we get in "Follies of God" is also a fiction (all biography is at the mercy of memory, which cognitive scientists now believe is creative as well as recollective). |
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| re: He is but a Pale Fire | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:39 am EDT 07/03/20 | |
| In reply to: re: He is but a Pale Fire - BruceinIthaca 10:45 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| But isn't the "memory" you are referring to that of the subject and those with first hand knowledge as a baseline, as opposed to that of an "interviewer" who didn't do a good job of memorializing what his subject said? No doubt Williams embellished/misremembered/etc his recollections. We all do. But we are not interested in scrivener's recollection or his creativity (unless, in the latter case, they set out to write a work of fiction. [There is a parallel discussion that is of the moment (but that we will not have in this thread), being the various creative licenses Miranda took in Hamilton. And no, of course I am not comparing Grissom to Miranda).] | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:46 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - lordofspeech 01:27 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| There is not one single (true) word in the piece that is not already well known information. There are at least two statements in the piece that are demonstrably false. One of them is his characterization of Daryl and what she does. Unfortunately, Grissom's credibility train had already left the station before this piece was put up on the site. We have lots of work to do in America, and in the American theatre, but Grissom is not going to be the motorman of the train on which that works gets done. I have my theory about what happened during Grissom's tenure in Daryl Roth's office that prompted his pathological behavior of late. Unlike some people, because I don't write things that I don't know to be true, I won't say what it is, but I will say that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump. |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: chriscurrie 12:46 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - ryhog 02:46 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| I hope Daryl is throwing you nice little things for coming to her defense. I love that little dance you do--"I have my theory about what happened during Grissom's tenure in Daryl Roth's office," but then a pivot--"I don't write things that I don't know to be true." Then the Sally Rand fan dance--"I won't say what it is, but I will say that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump." And here you are, yet again, reading Grissom, which I do not suggest, and giving him oxygen and more hits, which I find terribly ironic. How GOOD you are. |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:38 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - chriscurrie 12:46 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| I am not defending anyone by noting misinformation in what was published. I acknowledge the irony. Do you acknowledge yours? |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 10:45 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - ryhog 09:38 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| I'd suggest not feeding. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: chriscurrie 10:20 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - ryhog 09:38 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| I would suggest you prove it is misinformation. Otherwise, you are yet another incendiary poster here. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: davei2000 03:24 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - ryhog 02:46 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| It is interesting to note that the 2d (and nastiest) of his stories has apparently been taken down, though the headline is still there with different content. So that explains his "suspended" reference. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: ryhog 03:52 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - davei2000 03:24 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| yes, and there is recycling (including photos). | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: Ordoc 06:58 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - ryhog 03:52 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Grissom comes across as a bitter man. All the famous people in his life are dead. His one book has been overshadowed by John Lahr's book on Williams. It appears no one is interested in publishing Grissom's book on Brando. He has nothing left, so he spends his days lashing out at people he thinks do not deserve their success. It's like being slimed by a worm. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: chriscurrie 10:22 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - Ordoc 06:58 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| It "appears" that he has publishers interested in two books. You seem fairly bitter yourself, so much so that I am defending Grissom, whom I do not support in his latest writings. | |
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| Now working for the Biden campaign | |
| Posted by: joerialto 12:58 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - chriscurrie 10:22 am EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| James Grissom announced on his Twitter feed today that he has been hired as a writer for the Biden campaign. | |
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| re: Now working for the Biden campaign | |
| Posted by: Ann 02:09 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
| In reply to: Now working for the Biden campaign - joerialto 12:58 pm EDT 07/02/20 | |
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| Oh, dear. | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 07:21 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - Ordoc 06:58 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| does that mean he's wrong? | |
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| re: Pass | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:37 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pass - manchurch03104 07:21 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| Wrong about what? He is right about some things (all of which, as I note, are already relatively common knowledge) and wrong about some others. But most of those items are obscured by his successful obliteration of any arguable credibility he may have ever had and the miasma of pathological nonsense that is the most observable characteristic of his essays. Were there valid points lurking somewhere? Maybe, but in a forensics class, he would surely get an "F." | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 10:52 pm EDT 07/01/20 | |
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| but in a forensics class, he would surely get an "F." He would also get an F in a writing class. |
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