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| Midnight Express hmophobia | |
| Posted by: WayneM 04:34 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Film director/screenwriter ("Evita") Alan Parker has died - Ann 09:45 am EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| My experience of seeing the film was one of absolute disgust/anger/fear at the audience reaction to the portrayal of the true gay relationship that was engendered during the prison stay. Instead of displaying it as it happened the movie shows the bond that develops between the 2 young men but then there is a definitive refusal by the lead to an overture to a more physical level. If I recall there is a steamy shower scene and the offer for more to Billy but a definite NO as a response to it. In the movie theater I attended this elicited loud hurrahs and applause. For a not yet out gay person that was truly an addition of horror |
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| my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: dramedy 07:37 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Midnight Express hmophobia - WayneM 04:34 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| was In and Out (1997) when Kevin Kline kisses tom Selleck and the audience booed. This is a movie theater in Emmeryville across the bay from San Francisco. What did these homophobic patrons think they were seeing at the movies? I was out pf the closet, but didn't say anything because frankly i didn't want to get beaten up in the parking lot. it ruined the movie for me and i guess i still feel the pain a quarter century later. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: mermaniac 06:41 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: my movie theater experience - dramedy 07:37 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| That happened to me in NYC with "Sunday, Bloody Sunday." | |
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| Posted by: garyd 01:03 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: my movie theater experience - dramedy 07:37 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| How sad and, of course, frightening. On a better note, we saw it in Walnut Creek and I remember the audience cheering. Same with Brokeback Mountain though that was years later. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 08:16 pm EDT 08/04/20 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 08:15 pm EDT 08/04/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - garyd 01:03 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| Maybe it's a sign of the times, but I saw ''Love, Simon'' (2018) more than once, and each time, the packed theater cheered at the gay kiss. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: my movie theater experience - dramedy 07:37 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| And my horrendous movie theater experience of homophobia from years ago was at a screening of DEATHTRAP on Staten Island, where the kiss between Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve was greeted with something approaching pandemonium. Very shocking, frightening and disturbing, to say the least. | |
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| Posted by: StageLover 08:41 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - Michael_Portantiere 09:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| Staten Island? Say no more.... |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: champagnesalesman 09:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - Michael_Portantiere 09:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| I saw MAKING LOVE in Westchester and when Hamlin and Ontkean kissed there was alot of "EWWW!!" as well as "Gross!" Which is surprising given that anyone going to see this film should have known what it was about | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:35 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - champagnesalesman 09:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| I saw that happen with "Making Love" on the East Side of Manhattan. Still remember it. It's a pretty dreadful movie (and edited so that little of the screenplay makes sense -- a subplot about their pal Wendy Hiller is somewhere on a cutting room floor); part of me wants to believe it was because it was such a clunky piece of storytelling and Ontkean was such a stiff, handsome but robotic. I can't recall if it was late at night, and maybe filled with an audience that was more upset about the quality. But that's probably too kind. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:43 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - champagnesalesman 09:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| ****I saw MAKING LOVE in Westchester and when Hamlin and Ontkean kissed there was alot of "EWWW!!" as well as "Gross!" Which is surprising given that anyone going to see this film should have known what it was about.****** Exactly, and the same goes for anyone who bought a ticket to see IN AND OUT, whereas admittedly the audience had no reason to expect the gay kiss in DEATHRAP. In fact, the whole point of the kiss is that it should come as a surprise, but of course it was disturbing that the audience reacted with such revulsion. |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: BHandshy 11:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - champagnesalesman 09:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| Yes, I also saw 1982's MAKING LOVE in the theater (San Jose, CA), and "Ewwwww!" was definitely the reaction to the kiss. Unrelated, except for the general time period: When I went to see the film COME BACK TO THE FIVE AND DIME, JIMMY DEAN in the theater in 1983, in the opening credits when Cher's name appeared on the screen (it was her film debut), there were lots of laughs and giggles (as if, "hahaha, she couldn't possibly be a serious actress"). Well, she was marvelous in the film, and so normal looking! This was before all of her cosmetic surgeries and dental work. | |
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| Posted by: PlazaBoy 06:26 pm EDT 08/04/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - BHandshy 11:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| I really enjoy the Jimmy Dean movie, but I can't help but remember the awkward scene in The Cher Show that began with "I'm Robert Altman." Dreadful. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: StageLover 09:01 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - BHandshy 11:42 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| Mike Nichols had felt the same way about Cher. He refused to meet with her for a film he was casting. The worm had turned by the time he was casting SILKWOOD. Cher was now hot in movies, thanks to her Oscar turn in MOONSTRUCK. And Nichols had considerably cooled as a director. The financiers wanted Cher, and according to her, she made him apologize to her. My own story: in the early 90s I lived in Malibu for a year. One Saturday afternoon I took in a matinee of the BORN YESTERDAY remake and the theater was practically empty, except for me and a couple of women who wouldn't shut up. They were a few rows in back of me and were constantly dogging poor Melanie Griffith through the whole movie. When the movie ended and the lights came on, I turned around to see who the chatterboxes were and sitting there were Cher and Whoopi Goldberg. |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 09:37 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - StageLover 09:01 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| Your chronology is off. SILKWOOD (1983) was the very next film Cher made after JIMMY DEAN. MOONSTRUCK was not until1987. | |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: StageLover 09:47 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - Billhaven 09:37 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| Not my chronology, hers. That's why I wrote, "according to her". |
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| re: my movie theater experience | |
| Posted by: Billhaven 10:23 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - StageLover 09:47 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| My point is that this scenario makes no sense no matter who it’s according to. Cher was not hot in movies prior to Silkwood. Her Oscar turn was 4 years in the future. After the success of Silkwood she starred in Mask (her first lead since Chastity in 1969), then Witches of Eastwick and Suspect. | |
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| Posted by: davei2000 10:39 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: my movie theater experience - Billhaven 10:23 am EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| In a recent telling by Cher, it sounds like it was Mike Nichols' idea to cast her in Silkwood and to apologize. | |
| Link | https://www.peoplemagazine.co.za/celebrity-news/international-celebrities/sickness-forced-cher-to-give-up-hollywood-dream/ |
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| re: Midnight Express hmophobia | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 04:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Midnight Express hmophobia - WayneM 04:34 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| The film's homophobia and xenophobia have been discussed many times. But it should be noted the film added these elements. The book's author talks about having homosexual relationships in prison--the film makes him reject any homosexual activity. The film eliminates the books positive depictions of Turkish men, making them all villains. The author, Billy Hayes, continues to be critical of the film for these changes. |
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| And Brad Davis created Ned in "Normal Heart" | |
| Posted by: Delvino 09:40 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Midnight Express hmophobia - whereismikeyfl 04:58 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| With the blessing of Kramer. Still a bizarre piece of casting (though he was fine). The role is about a man who is nothing like Davis (i.e. a Kramer surrogate/proxy). It was close to casting Michelle P in Frankie and Johnnie. | |
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| re: And Brad Davis created Ned in "Normal Heart" | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:37 pm EDT 08/03/20 | |
| In reply to: And Brad Davis created Ned in "Normal Heart" - Delvino 09:40 pm EDT 08/02/20 | |
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| "The role is about a man who is nothing like Davis (i.e. a Kramer surrogate/proxy). " And the casting of that role WAY against type was carried forward to the movie of THE NORMAL HEART. Mark Ruffalo's acting was wonderful, of course, but he was very miscast in the role of Ned Weeks -- that is, if you feel the character should have at least a general resemblance to Kramer in terms of type. |
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| re: Midnight Express hmophobia | |
| Posted by: Ann 04:39 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Midnight Express hmophobia - WayneM 04:34 pm EDT 08/01/20 | |
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| What a horrible experience, and insane audience reaction. I saw it sometime after the initial release, at a weekday matinee when I was unemployed (but saw lots of movies). I may have been the only one there. |
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