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| Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! | |
| Posted by: portenopete 02:43 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Why Leslie Odom Jr. nearly didn't do the 'Hamilton' movie - Singapore/Fling 04:22 pm EDT 08/06/20 | |
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| But needlessly denigrating a colleague is. Whether or not their situations were at all parallel, Messrs. Odom and Tveit are brothers in the theatre. Name-calling is below the belt. Leslie Odom, Jr. is an incredibly gifted performer who is possessed of an incredibly big ego. I say this from listening to him on many a talk show discussing his career. No doubt his confidence and swagger add to his appeal onstage and this conundrum has been a dilemma in Hollywood and Broadway for years: in the past performers strove to "appear" humble and self-effacing in public. It's fine to say we should "own" our swagger, but it makes for tiresome dinner party companionship and equally irritating talk show etiquette. And if any white actor's salary might have been germane in this discussion, surely it's Jonathan Groff's? He was in the position of having to re-learn his track- admittedly much simpler than Odom's Burr track- and he has a much higher TVQ, I would think, than Aaron Tveit, having starred in at least one or two series since his Broadway career bloomed. Say what you want to your agent or your wife or your friends around the table at Joe Allen's, but when you're talking a public forum, be nice. You're brilliant onstage and next time I see you in something I don't want to be fighting the nagging suspicion you are a douche. |
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| re: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:20 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
| In reply to: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! - portenopete 02:43 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
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| How in the world is Odom denigrating his colleague? He indicated that he wanted to be paid equal to Tveit, and he referred to him as a "white boy" in a jocular manner, none of which is denigrating or attacking him. Again, I'm just baffled that so many white people (I'm presuming) are taking great offense (and clutching their pearls, lol) at this innocuous comment. | |
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| re: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! | |
| Posted by: CanadianRyan 02:49 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
| In reply to: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! - portenopete 02:43 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
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| Do you have to fight the same issue when you watch Patti LuPone? Or Zero Mostel? Or any of the other countless white “divas” in the theatre? I think he was using Tveit as an example. Calling him that white boy is not “name calling”... again, I wonder if Tveit gives as much thought to this as you seem to. I doubt it even matters to him. |
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| re: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! | |
| Posted by: portenopete 03:25 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Fighting for pay equity is nothing to be ashamed of! - CanadianRyan 02:49 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
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| Mostel was fortunate to live and work in an era where one's backstage shenanigans were not publicised. Much like JFK, FDR, Mother Teresa, Dr. King and many other totems, I am glad to not have been made aware of their less-savoury personal quirks. As to Miss LuPone, with every utterance she makes I find myself having to deal with a parallel entity that obscures the artist. Generationally I am from the era where not knowing things was blissful. I could just enjoy the gifts and gain great pleasure and comfort. Most great artists are, I suspect, assholes. I am sure the solipsism and ego it takes to burn as incandescently as they do requires selfishness. I am sure there are some exceptions, but on the whole, I'd bet that if they didn't have the insane and appalling traits that now get them in trouble, they would be able to create great art. (Lin-Manuel Miranda may be an exception of note.) I just wish their failings were not so ubiquitous and publicised. |
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