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| re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. | |
| Last Edit: TheOtherOne 08:08 am EDT 08/09/20 | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 08:05 am EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. - portenopete 02:57 pm EDT 08/07/20 | |
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| portenopote, Mark Wahlberg and Michelle Williams were working on the same project, under the same circumstances. Aaron Tveit and Leslie Odom, Jr were not. Odom should not have compared himself to Tveit here. No actor has been paid for a broadcast in theaters (which was the original intention) or a cable presentation (which was the Covid-fueled result) what he or she would have been paid to do had their project been aired (and aired live at that) on network television. Not to mention that he apparently held Lin Manuel and the rest of the company in limbo before he committed to joining them for the taping. This isn't a case of pearl clutching on the part of people calling him out for it, and it isn't a case of him being victimized because of race. It's a case of an actor's ego getting out of hand. I love Leslie, but his "white boy" comment cast an ugly shadow on an argument that was already way off base. |
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| re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 02:19 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. - TheOtherOne 08:05 am EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| "It's a case of an actor's ego getting out of hand." But is it? In baseball, we refer to franchise players who negotiate sky high salaries because they can. LOJ is Hamilton's franchise player. Did you think LMM's ego was out of hand when he negotiated his top dollar deal with Jeffrey Seller (including paying his father a percentage)? Did you think Jeffrey Seller's ego was out of hand when he raised ticket prices to thousand dollar territory? Or is it just the black actor who is the star of your show who is supposed to resist negotiating the best deal he can get? Ya know, LOJ had an understudy. The producers could have said thanks anyway. But they didn't because they knew he was worth it. Hamilton is to Broadway what the Yankees are to baseball. Wanna play without Gerrit Cole? Just say no. Wanna memorialize your play without the star? Just say no. Do you think Hugh Jackman was uppity for cutting his deal with Rudin for MM? Whether we like it or not, we live in a capitalist country, and that doesn't apply differently based on race (or sex or any other category that we "traditionally" paid less). Offer and acceptance, bid and ask, quid pro quo. |
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| re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. | |
| Last Edit: TheOtherOne 04:47 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 04:31 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. - ryhog 02:19 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| Yes, we live in a capitalist society, but HAMILTON did not stop selling out because Leslie Odom Jr left its cast. It was still sold out nearly four years later when Covid-19 shut down Broadway. THE BOY FROM OZ and any other show Hugh Jackman has been in would have closed had he left. That is why he gets those big bucks. The Yankees did not stop selling out games when Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera retired, or, years earlier, when Mickey Mantle did. People go to see the Yankees. And they go to see HAMILTON. Leslie Odom is not that kind of a star. He hasn't been on Broadway or carried a film since, so it is hard to say what type of audience pull he will have, but neither Phillipa Soo nor Okierette Onaodowan made a case for the Hamiton pull when they returned to Broadway. Please don't think I would not love to see all of them back! But he was not that kind of star at the time. Ironically, he might be a bit closer to being one because his outstanding performance has now been seen by so many, but he was pushing it when he kept his company waiting to see if he would join them for the recording. And no, this one is not about race, though the Aaron Tveit comparison makes it plain that Odom thought it was. I would expect Jeremy Pope to negotiate a lot more money now if anyone wanted to film him in AIN'T TOO PROUD, but Jeremy followed up two huge personal successes in one season on Broadway with an arguably more successful debut in a popular miniseries. His agent would be crazy not to ask for more. True, his shows went on successfully without him, too, but his rise to stardom was meteoric and not restricted to one show. |
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| re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:51 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Your pearls are sufficiently clutched and your pique noted. - TheOtherOne 04:31 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| I'll accept the fact that my analogies were not great but the point is that it was a negotiation and there was nothing stopping the producers from deciding not to agree to his terms. None of your opinions overcome the fact that they wanted him and were willing to pay him his price. I have a friend who is a fashion designer. As a young man, he was bombarded by people telling him to sell to them at a lower price point. He steadfastly refused because he had confidence in the value of his product. You can probably guess what happened: he eventually became a name that you may know. Chefs do the same thing. Creative people do not have to sell themselves short, unless that is their choice. Finally, you say it is not about race but let me just say that your pronouncement on that subject runs counter to the avalanche of voices we have heard in the last weeks and months from persons of color that is is ALWAYS about race. Jeremy Pope does not prove otherwise, and I doubt he would agree with you. |
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