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| Posted by: Chromolume 07:01 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Guinevere - Likable - BroadwayTonyJ 04:40 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| Is the joust between Lancelot and Sir Lionel actually shown in some way or are we just told about it by the ensemble? It's narrated by the ensemble - one of two huge moments in the show where that happens out of the blue. Then again, I'm not sure how else they would have been able to stage it more realistically. (In an Ivo Van HOve production, we'd just be treated to films of jousting, lol.) Also, in terms of history, don't forget Henry VIII's jousting accident. |
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| The resident historian checks in | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 08:10 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Guinevere - Likable - Chromolume 07:01 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| CAMELOT is a fantasy, everybody, as much a fantasy as BRIGADOON. The legend of Arthur, who may (or may not) have been a fairly powerful warlord in the mess that was Britain after the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, is complex, convoluted, has involved many, many contributions over the centuries. It’s so much part and parcel of English lore, it’s the core of what’s called “The Matter of Britain, the collected legends and quasi-history of the island. So we start with an actual post-Roman warlord,,c. 500. Centuries later, we have a bunch of medieval guys scribbling about his wonderful Golden Age, and pasting in all the stuff on chivalry and romance and codes of honor that would have had the original Arthur saying WTF? Chief among these was Sir Thomas Malory, c. 1485. Do you see any problems with somebody writing about something that happened a thousand years before? Like, getting facts straight? Hmm? Now we have T.H. White,,writing a popular novel, stealing from Malory and a bunch of other sources, and changing whatever he felt like. Arthur is no post-Roman warlord,,he’s a proper Anglo-Norman king (think Henry II in THE LION IN WINTER, and all Shakespearean kings, save Lear). And AJL took two portions of White’s THE ONCE AND FUTURE KING, changed the stuff he wanted to (like, Merlyn tells Arthur about Lance and Jenny...). And you get CAMELOT. There was no jousting in 500 CE. That’s centuries later. I could drone on for much, much longer—I started out as an English medievalist, had done a senior thesis on the Archbishops of York in the early Anglo-Norman era, and still ended up with a minor field in medieval ecclesiastical history... Laura |
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| re: The resident historian checks in | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 11:23 am EDT 08/10/20 | |
| In reply to: The resident historian checks in - showtunetrivia 08:10 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| I'm crushed. For over 60 years I've been lied to by MGM and 20th Century Fox, not to mention the Chicago newspapers that carried the Prince Valiant comic strip all those years. My faith in Hollywood and the print media has been dealt a serious blow. | |
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| “it was joust one of those things” | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 04:47 pm EDT 08/10/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The resident historian checks in - BroadwayTonyJ 11:23 am EDT 08/10/20 | |
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| There’s a meme going round with something like a college professor saying, “Do you enjoy watching historical films and tv series?” “yes, I do!” And the professor replies, “Be a history major, and we’ll cure that!” Laura, also a Prince Valiant fan |
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| re: The resident historian checks in | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 11:14 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: The resident historian checks in - showtunetrivia 08:10 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| Thanks, Laura :-) | |
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| re: The resident historian checks in | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:32 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: The resident historian checks in - showtunetrivia 08:10 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| Thanks for this, Laura!! :-) But...are you saying that the knights would not have gone around singing "derry down, derry down" lol? ;-) |
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| re: The resident historian checks in | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 08:44 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The resident historian checks in - Chromolume 08:32 pm EDT 08/09/20 | |
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| That part I find more believable than a lot of the other stuff! Laura, giggling |
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