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re: Guinevere - Likable
Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 09:54 am EDT 08/10/20
In reply to: re: Guinevere - Likable - Chromolume 07:04 pm EDT 08/08/20

***That's the action, not the consequences. I don't think it *really* dawns on Mrs. Lovett what they're really getting away with until it's clear that Toby has figured it out. (Obviously she knows, but she isn't really taking it seriously until then,) And of course Todd doesn't get his "epiphany" (so to speak) until he finds his wife dead, and it's too late to revive her. And of course, that Lovett was hiding Lucy's identity from him. For Todd, especially, the consequences aren't that people will die, it's that someone he loves will die.***

I agree with most of that, but I was addressing the audience's reaction to Todd and Mrs. Lovett, and to "A Little Priest" in particular, not the characters' own awareness of the full meaning and possible consequences of their actions.

By the way, it strikes me that one of the reasons why the audience is able to laugh along with Sweeney and Mrs. L.'s plan to take the bodies of the people he's going to kill and grind them into meat pies is because, at that point, the only person we have seen Todd kill is Pirelli, who has been revealed as a despicable con artist and who then tries to blackmail Todd. And then, for most of Act II, the only people we see die are nameless characters who have no lines and with whom the audience has established no relationship -- until, of course, he murders the judge, who is the primary villain of the piece. And THEN, of course, he kills one more person after that, and tries to kill another....

P.S. I would say Todd has two epiphanies, perhaps. The first comes during the song titled "Epiphany," when it suddenly hits him that EVERYONE in the world deserves to die -- either because they are wicked or, if not, the victims of wickedness who should be put out of their misery. And yes, maybe there's a second epiphany, of a very different sort, when Todd realizes what he has done with his last murder, and this causes him to finally realize that "to seek revenge may lead to hell."
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