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| 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: bobby2 12:23 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| really interesting. | |
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| What happened with the Tonys? | |
| Posted by: bobby2 01:42 am EDT 08/17/20 | |
| In reply to: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - bobby2 12:23 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| Did they not have time to invite the voters? I never understand that. I think there where shows around this era and before that lasted a few nights and still got nominations. Didn't Marian Seldes get nominated for something that closed on opening night? It was odd how the show opened when it did. They just missed the cutoff for the 1988 season. Then 1989 was the worst year for musicals in Tony history. Buckley certainly deserved a nod. (This is the like the show that got away for me. I was a kid but loved the movie and wanted to go. I foolishly waited for the reviews and then when they came out I told my parents they were bad and they said so then I guess we won't go. I wish we had gone to a preview. I guess many people feel that way.) |
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| re: What happened with the Tonys? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 11:55 pm EDT 08/20/20 | |
| In reply to: What happened with the Tonys? - bobby2 01:42 am EDT 08/17/20 | |
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| Seldes was nominated for Father's Day in 1971. Mielziner was also nominated for his set. In the early 1970s, several people were nominated for their work in plays and musicals that ran only one performance. It was in the late 1960s that it started to be more common for critics to be invited to late previews, and the Tony nominating committee was much smaller. I think 1973 may have been the last time someone was nominated for a show that ran one performance (Maya Angelou in Look Away). I'm not sure exactly when the rules were changed so that shows that did not run long enough to invite the voters could not receive nominations. At one time the voting body was so small that the awards themselves were decided on in a meeting. Now the nominating committee is around the size (or nearly the size) as the voting body in the early years. |
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| I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 11:48 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - bobby2 12:23 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| Have they brought the revisal to London? I bet she'd be brilliant--and certainly better than the very talented, but even more very miscast Mazzie who was a Barbara Cook when, for all the reasons discussed here, they needed a Betty Buckley. | |
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| re: I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 08:56 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. - GabbyGerard 11:48 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| I was, admittedly, just waking up when I read the title for the previous posting, but I was shocked into consciousness at the image of Sally Ann Triplett tacking Ann-Margret! (I'm having cataract surgery the next two Mondays--obviously not a moment too soon. And I retired from teaching last weekend, also, obviously, not a moment too soon!) :) |
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| I don't know if it's in London but..... | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 01:09 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. - GabbyGerard 11:48 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| The Southwark Playhouse did the revisal with Kim Criswell playing Margaret. That's in the UK, but I don't know where it is in relation to London. | |
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| It's in London. | |
| Posted by: sf 01:30 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: I don't know if it's in London but..... - Teacher64 01:09 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| Specifically, it's on Newington Causeway in Southwark, just north of Elephant and Castle. | |
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| re: I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. | |
| Posted by: bobby2 01:50 am EDT 08/17/20 | |
| In reply to: I would love to see Sally Ann Triplett tackle Margaret. - GabbyGerard 11:48 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| I hate to speak ill of Mazzie considering how talented she was and how sad her loss was BUT I feel she suffered (probably was directed to do this from what I read at the time) by the whole push to make Margaret more sympathetic. They did that with the remake where Julianne Moore played the role. For some reason the kept emphasizing that Margaret is a victim too. Buckley mentions this in the discussion that abusers are usually abused themselves but that doesn't mean they need to be made to be sympathetic. Buckley and Piper Laurie made the role work because they weren't afraid to be cruel and lets face it they were bitches. I've read some reviews of the film call Margaret a misogynistic character so maybe that's why there was a move to make her less fierce. As much as they talk about how they've had productions all over the world etc. I still think Buckley is the reason why the show lives on in infamy. She's thrilling in those clips. |
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| It was too short | |
| Posted by: Teacher64 08:59 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - bobby2 12:23 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| I could have listened to them talk for another hour. | |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: TheHarveyBoy 12:15 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - bobby2 12:23 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| I just watched this and loved it, having seen the last preview on Broadway, a performance of the off-Broadway revival and a high school production in New Jersey. I am surprised how kind everyone was to Terry Hands, who, in my opinion, is singlehandedly responsible for the failure of the show on Broadway. The direction and design were appallingly British is all the bas senses of that word. | |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Last Edit: Delvino 01:48 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:46 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - TheHarveyBoy 12:15 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| Truly an extraordinary hour 49 minutes. I saw the show (OBC) three times, the second preview, then a Friday night, and a Sunday (Mother's Day). I fell hard for the parts that work, beautifully explicated here, and found all of the Hands/Allen stuff, also expertly covered, stunning in its ability to take the roof off even as it egregiously misfired. I loved all of this, but found the Charlotte and Sally Ann stuff -- newer to me -- especially intriguing. But who knew that "When There's No One" was written for Cook? (I didn't.) But the moment when Buckley daringly sings the song again, so unadorned, into her Zoom lens, really is -- a phrase we toss around -- one of those master classes. It's a fresh, intimate, unfettered take on a piece that has become one of her signature songs, and arguably is the one great song in the show. Just a terrific watch this gloomy Sunday in a very gloomy time. Everyone shines here, to a person. Bravo, Brava. |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 02:24 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| This was a really good episode of Stars in the House. | |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Last Edit: tandelor 08:35 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
| Posted by: tandelor 08:33 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - pecansforall 02:24 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| One of the best of many excellent episodes. Especially interesting were their insights on Barbara Cook which they handled honestly but with extreme love and respect. As someone who felt Cook was the greatest singer of her generation I appreciated their insights. | |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: showbuzz 02:57 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - tandelor 08:33 am EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| I saw the last 2 performances in Stratford....and even as an acquaintance of Barbara Cook.....she was terribly miscast as Margaret White. Barbara could read the phone directory and make it extraordinary...this wasn't it. But the 3 most egreagious parts were Gene Anthony Ray horribly costumed and terribly directed...it wasn't FAME and he was still performing Billy as if he was still in FAME! 2.Terry Hands was woefully out of his league,Didn't understand American life and certainly not American teenagers......and his concept wasn't an American town...he set it on Mt Olympus!A fantasy.....One British review said 'Terry Hands trying to breathe Life into "CARRIE" was like Terry Hands rearranging the deck chairs on the TITANIC!"...3rd was the dancer/actor killing over blown choreography of Debbie Allen! Someone needed to remind her that this wasn't FAME either! I ran into Barbara Cook in London at an event w/Wally Harper while she was still in rehearsals and excitedly told her I was seeing her last 2 performances b4 America....Aghast she tried to talk me out of it.....she wasn't enjoying it. She also referred to it as the Honey! This is the MOOSE MURDERS of Musicals!" If you knew Barbara...she was witty and sassy and straight forward ....I loved our encounters. CARRIE had a lot of wonderful people trying their damndest!....I loved the score but this production was misguided! Lucklily it has found a place ...with time /although I miss things from the Original. No one talks about the half naked boys in leather acrobatically rolling around ....Barbara explained to me that they were the pigs..."pig blood!!! Ohhhhhhh! I thought the Stars In The House were kind to Barbara and avoided too much about Terry Hands (Thank God!) I can still see a lot of it in my head....just my 2cents |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: bobby2 03:13 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
| In reply to: re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others - showbuzz 02:57 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| Mt. Olympus! I guess that comes from the famous story of how someone told him it should be like Grease (meaning the musical) and he thought they meant the country. | |
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| re: 1988 Carrie reunion with Betty Buckley, Seth Rudestsky and others | |
| Posted by: Delvino 01:58 pm EDT 08/16/20 | |
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| Agree completely about the Cook discussion. They were respectful, but also able to articulate why it was such a bad fit. The show had been conceived for Buckley's voice (not usually mentioned; many people think she was a late idea), and then fell to Cook. When I saw the show and knew of the RSC run -- as we all did, it was much discussed -- I assumed Cook had been chosen because she had a slightly similar grativas to the great performance of Piper Laurie in the film. To my thinking, it was possible to watch Laurie and say "who in the musical theater has those qualities" And then, in a brainstorming session, come up with Cook. I've watched Cook footage, which is used in this, and her vocals were in every way powerful. It's a valid approach to Margaret, if not as theatrically sharp as the Buckley belt, which was unlike anything we'd heard. When they all fall back here, in tears, after "Eve..." I get it. I was there, and I remember how Buckley stopped the show, cold. | |
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