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| re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:13 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface - BruceinIthaca 08:51 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| Bruce, I almost always reflexively assume you are coming from the right place so it is with respect that I ask if you are applying a bit of a double standard here. If the subject were (purely) race or queerness or religion etc etc and a person not of the applicable category used a term that might be "ok" coming from a person OF that category, would you come out the same? We rightly kick people to the curb based on past conduct. I don't think liking the person ought to provide a free pass. Yes, our understanding of terms (and thus our usage) evolves but I really do not think that "tranny" was a neutral term a decade ago. And I also find the "don't we have more important things to be thinking about" meme to be a lame one. On that theory, we should stop posting here altogether. When the theatre will be up and running much less what reading is going to be online for the first time this weekend fades in comparison to the subjects you mention. Sorry, but if someone is troubled by something, I think they should not be shamed for raising it. | |
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| re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 11:00 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface - ryhog 10:13 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| "We rightly kick people to the curb based on past conduct." This sums up why people criticize "cancel culture". It is not just automatically "right" to automatically "kick to the curb" anyone who has anything questionable or offensive in their past. There is more nuance than that, and a swift kick to the curb does not allow for context let alone growth or accountability. People should be accountable for things they've said and done in the past, that doesn't mean we just kick them to the curb, and when we do it doesn't mean it is right. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. | |
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| re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface | |
| Last Edit: ryhog 12:57 am EDT 08/19/20 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:45 am EDT 08/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface - Chazwaza 11:00 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| I agree with you. I did not intend to advocate anything automatic (I see how it could seem that I was) and I do believe that the proper course is to consider context, acceptance of responsibility, remorse, etc. before formulating our attitude toward what was said. If you read my other post in this thread, I think it comes closer to accurately expressing my feelings on the subject. That said, I find some of the content pretty bad and hope that he deals with this very soon and in a way that ends up being an opportunity for growth for him and others. ETA: His out of the box reaction to the "resurfacing" (which I just saw for the first time) does not ooze with contrition. He tweeted: "I don't know why people try to start shit with me. I'm only just a little boy." He needs to repair this asap or I suspect there are a lot of people who will not be especially charitable. |
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| re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface | |
| Posted by: Michael_Portantiere 10:26 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface - ryhog 10:13 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| "We rightly kick people to the curb based on past conduct." It is VERY WRONG to do that if they are "kicked to the curb" for using a word, phrase or term that is now considered offensive (by some) but was absolutely NOT generally considered offensive at the time it was used. "Yes, our understanding of terms (and thus our usage) evolves but I really do not think that 'tranny' was a neutral term a decade ago." You may not think so, but it was absolutely considered neutral by many people, OF COURSE depending on the context of the word's usage. |
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| re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:42 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Randy Rainbow’s old, racist, and transphobic tweets resurface - Michael_Portantiere 10:26 pm EDT 08/18/20 | |
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| Michael, I don't know how much of the stuff that has been brought forward on twitter etc you have read but even setting aside the "tranny" usage, or putting it in the "it depends" category, there are racist expressions and tropes that have been highlighted that I am sure you would agree were not acceptable a decade ago or even five decades ago. I don't really want to repeat them but if you need to be pointed to them I can give you some links. At some point in the next 24 hours, I expect these tweets will be taken down and a high priced PR person will have written an apology for Randy. If it feels genuine, I will be inclined to forgive because that's what my (non-racist) grandmother taught me I should do. |
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