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| Last Edit: Ann 11:12 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| Posted by: Ann 11:11 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| Eligibility to be decided. | |
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| Last Edit: mikem 11:34 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| Posted by: mikem 11:20 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: - Ann 11:11 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| In terms of eligibility, two shows opened in the month prior to shutdown: West Side Story and Girl from the North Country. I imagine they would just ask the shows whether they want to be eligible. My guess is that they would both ask to be deferred into next season. If I were them, I would have the Nominating Committee pick nominees, up to the typical number in each category but could be fewer if the committee wanted. Then just give them all special Tonys rather than have the full vote. Everyone will be happy, or happy enough. If they want, they can reduce the number of nominees in each category by one to reflect the shortened season. |
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| I doubt that | |
| Posted by: dramedy 01:03 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Tony Awards to be broadcast digitally this fall - mikem 11:20 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| West side story is interesting because it could just be awarded revival musical—it’s probably worthy of it unlike some revivals that aren’t. But tony committee might combine the play and musical category. WSS would probably still win but it would be a competitive win. Girl did play offbroadway so if some of the voters saw it there, it might help it’s chances. But if any show would defer it would be this one. Moulin rouge was the front runner after it opened and I doubt that anything including six Or Doubtfire would have Won the top prize. Acting awards maybe. |
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| Eligibility quirks | |
| Posted by: mikem 11:56 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Tony Awards to be broadcast digitally this fall - mikem 11:20 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| If West Side Story and Girl from the North Country both defer, there are only 4 shows eligible in the musical categories: Moulin Rouge The Lightning Thief Tina Jagged Little Pill (I believe American Utopia did not invite voters and is not eligible. There were no musical revivals except for West Side Story that opened already.) So the only eligible scores would be from The Lightning Thief plus whatever plays had original scores. The only candidates for Leading Actor in a Musical are Aaron Tveit for Moulin Rouge and Chris McCarell for The Lightning Thief. Maybe bringing The Lightning Thief to Broadway may have an unexpected payoff... The play categories are more healthy. There are 13 shows eligible in the play categories. I didn't realize how front-loaded the season was. There are only 17 eligible shows if WSS and Girl both defer, and 18 shows that ended up not being eligible. So maybe each category should have a smaller number of nominees. |
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| Posted by: PurpleMoney 08:38 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: Eligibility quirks - mikem 11:56 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| Jagged Little Pill has 4 new songs written for this musical and could be nominated and win for score. | |
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| Last Edit: WaymanWong 09:34 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 09:20 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Eligibility quirks - PurpleMoney 08:38 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| Of all the Tony categories, Original Score has produced the quirkiest results. At the 1974 Tonys, Lerner & Loewe's ''Gigi'' won with a score that included only 5 new songs. At the 1996 Tonys, ''State Fair'' was nominated for Score, but only for the 4 specific Rodgers & Hammerstein songs that were added to the stage adaptation. They included 2 cutouts from ''Oklahoma!'': ''When I Go Walking With My Baby'' and ''Boys and Girls Like You and Me.'' In more recent times, however, the rule of thumb is that half of the score needs to be original and written for the stage. Ordinarily, ''Jagged Little Pill'' wouldn't be Tony-eligible for Best Original Score, but these aren't ordinary times. Right now, only ''The Lightning Thief'' has an original song score, but the Tonys would seem to have various options: Beefing up the category by including scores from plays. Only nominating it alone, as it did with ''Sunset Boulevard'' at the 1995 Tonys. Or dropping Best Score altogether, as it did at the 1989 Tonys, even though they could've fielded a category with ''Starmites,'' ''Legs Diamond'' and ''Welcome to the Club.'' |
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| Posted by: WaymanWong 03:25 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: Eligibility quirks - mikem 11:56 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| As past Tonys have shown, they have the discretion to bump up or down performers (or worse, eliminate categories). I easily could see Daniel J. Watts, who plays Ike in ''Tina,'' bumped up to Leading Actor in a Musical. Kobna Holdbrook-Smith, who was Ike on the West End, was nominated for Leading at the Olivier Awards - and won! |
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| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 11:14 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: - Ann 11:11 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| No matter what the eligibility rules turn out to be, it seems unlikely that voters will have seen all of the shows pre-lockdown. | |
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| Posted by: EvFoDr 11:53 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Tony Awards to be broadcast digitally this fall - MockingbirdGirl 11:14 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| I'm sure they will have to rewrite many rules for this. I wonder if it might make since to shift the voting respondibility to the nominating committee since they will have seen all the eligible performances? They could also add voters who had seen all the nominees, but that might start to get messy. | |
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| NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 12:08 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Tony Awards to be broadcast digitally this fall - EvFoDr 11:53 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| They don’t have to see them when they open; they just have to see them by the time they meet to determine nominations the last week of APRIL. I have two friends on the committee, one of whom didn’t see 2 of the opened productions before lockdown, and the other 3. Echoing what’s been said here, one of them said they didn’t see there being a point to doing a ceremony before Broadway reopened, let alone how it was possible. The consensus was that many of the awards would not be competitive, and that people like Laura Linney, Danny Burstein and Adrienne Warren would obviously win almost “by default”, due to them being the biggest names in the splashiest shows in a season with no real competition that had opened yet, and that some productions like West Side Story would AUTOMATICALLY win since they literally had no competition yet. There have been strange ceremonies and odd choices in the past- but I’m glad work will be recognized (no doubt because some of these shows grow less likely to reopen with every passing week). At the same time I feel bad that there will always be an asterisk next to this year’s ceremonies, and each of this year’s winners, probably more so than any awards ever given in any media. |
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| re: NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. | |
| Posted by: EvFoDr 12:22 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. - ShowGoer 12:08 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| This is very surprising to me, but since you are quoting a friend on the committee, I have no better information to refute it! It seems to be me given the frequency with which shows close quickly that the nominating committee would be sent to a press preview if not sometime during the first week of performances. How then are the Tonys riddled with examples of shows/performances that get nominated (and sometimes win) with very short runs, that logically would have closed before the committee had a chance to see them and make a decision about them? |
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| re: NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 01:41 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. - EvFoDr 12:22 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| Oh you’re absolutely right- they TRY to get them in sooner... and the voters themselves try to GO as soon as possible - especially as the season is so back-loaded, they want to get to everything before the month of April when there are almost always 15-20 openings in the space of 3-4 weeks. But the other requirement is that they also see the show with the entire original cast... so if, for example (as was the case) principals from West Side Story were missing performances around opening due to illness or injury, those nominators would then have to be rescheduled to another date, and sometimes even more than once. (I have one friend who showed up 3 times to a show in a previous season and was basically sent away with an apology the first 2 times, due to a last-minute absence.) | |
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| Posted by: mikem 01:47 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: NOT even the nominating committee has seen ALL the shows. - ShowGoer 01:41 pm EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| There are only 5 potentially eligible shows that could re-open: Moulin Rouge, Tina, Jagged Little Pill, West Side Story, and Girl from the North Country. A Soldier's Play and The Inheritance closed a few days early but aren't re-opening. A nominating committee member presumably has seen all of the other shows. If West Side Story and Girl from the North Country withdraw, I would think that the nominating committee has generally seen the other 3 (with some exceptions, of course). |
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| Posted by: Zelgo 11:41 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Tony Awards to be broadcast digitally this fall - MockingbirdGirl 11:14 am EDT 08/21/20 | |
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| Not sure there's a point to this any more | |
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