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| Posted by: ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/26/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chromolume 10:52 pm EDT 08/26/20 | |
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| Oh you absolutely did not. I was quoting an earlier post in this thread just to make the point that your idea of a "discussion" can't happen if some people are just going to say things like that. I'm not sure I am equipped to participate in the discussion, and I am not sure it can happen here unless you recruit more persons of color, but I am very supportive of conversations from which everyone can actually learn something. I have always been fond of the show, although I have my issues (mostly dramaturgical). I am also intrigued by the idea of seeing what a 2020 Coalhouse might look like. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: manchurch03104 08:02 am EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/26/20 | |
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| Coalhouse would die in the first 5 minutes of the show. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:26 am EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/26/20 | |
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| Sure but on an anonymous chat board where we don't know each other's race and "recruiting" someone for a specific thread conversations doesn't seem like an option, you don't think that white and presumably white chatters can have a thoughtful discussion and dissection of a musical's racial elements and the white writers of it while also keeping in mind the context that they are white people discussing it and won't be able to come to any conclusion? I think regardless of how many people in this chat identify their race for us as non-white, intelligent people can endeavor to have a crack and discussing it. Not making a decision about the racial issues, but a discussion. That's better to me than just avoiding it unless we have a chatter involved who tells us they are black. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:04 am EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 04:26 am EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| the recruiting "suggestion" was just a bit of semi-humor. The point, which remains, is that (based on some presumptions that I would be happy to have corrected) this board is overwhelmingly white (not surprising since that would align with theatre audience demographics in general and especially on Broadway). Now to your question, yes we can and should have such discussions and, as you also say, we should also be mindful of how white privilege permeates our efforts to "crack" it. Logically, if we are to learn (and this is the essence of the #weseeyouWAT movement) we need to expand that discussion, not here but more broadly. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:31 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 09:04 am EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| Yeah, we of course need to expand it but since we don't advertise for new members, by race or otherwise, or identify our own race in our names (usually), it's quite hard to even know if you're discussing something with a white person or not. (And while it's definitely accurate to say that the theater audience especially on Bway is overwhelmingly white... so is the population of our country, so you could also say it's fair to assume most internet chat boards have a majority of white users, if we're going off statistics). I'm all for being aware of how white privilege permeates and filters our views, experiences and opinions. I'm sorry if I jumped to the assumption about what you were suggesting. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:00 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 04:31 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| no worries, you're allowed. :-) btw I think "overwhelming" is in the rear view mirror and fading. Currently under 60%, with the majority projected to change in 2045 which is not that far away. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:04 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 07:00 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| It can't come soon enough! (and i'll bet if the census were complete it might be here). But caucasian will still be, and i'm sure at least for the rest of our lifetimes, the largest racial group in America, even if the combining of the numbers of all non-white peoples overtake as the combined majority. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:34 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 07:04 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| definitely plus we have non-white and white hispanics factoring in so we have people identifying as POC who are caucasian. What really can't come soon enough (but won't during our lifetimes) is when we (collectively) only notice the way we notice redheads and blonds. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 07:57 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 07:34 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| ha, as a person who is one of those (of course i can't say which!), i can't wait. | |
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| Posted by: Chromolume 09:36 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 07:57 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| as a person who is one of those (of course i can't say which!) Your screenname is a giveaway lol - at least I think...;-) |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chromolume 09:36 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| I am lost here. The only thing I am confident about is that chazwaza on twitter is someone else. someone very else. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 11:44 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| Ha, no no, my twitter name is not and has nothing to do with my profile name here. I couldn't possibly be so obvious, otherwise you'd know I'm actually Dave Malloy. | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: ryhog 09:08 am EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 11:44 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| have you looked at chazwaza on twitter? | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 01:48 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 09:08 am EDT 08/28/20 | |
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| Yes. Not a single broadway meme, video, or reference joke! | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:20 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - ryhog 11:17 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| It's the "waza" part of the screenname. | |
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| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 08:33 am EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chromolume 11:20 pm EDT 08/27/20 | |
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| World Association of Zoos and Aquariums? Actually one of my nephews (who is Latino -- Mexican-American) goes by the nickname "Chaz" rather than "Chuck" or "Charlie". Just sayin'. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 01:55 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - BroadwayTonyJ 08:33 am EDT 08/28/20 | |
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| Not quite, lol. But I've always wondered if one were to substitute "Queenie" from "Chaz" if that led somewhere. (Obvious hint - it's a lyric in TWO shows.) | |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 02:01 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chromolume 01:55 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
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| Chazwaza is actually a reference from The Simpsons. It's what an Australian guy says he'd call a bullfrog. Marge: We have them in America, they're called bullfrogs. Aussie: What?! That's an odd name. I'd have called them chazwazas. However the internet (and maybe the simpsons) seems to favor a zz spelling of it. |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 02:09 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chazwaza 02:01 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
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| Ha! Well, I'm glad I know the real reference now. ;-) Of course, why you'd want to be called a bullfrog I don't know, lol. ;-) It's funny, though - because all these years I've been thinking "waza" as in "was a (blond)." Maybe I'm TOO much of a musical theatre geek? ;-) |
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| re: Irony incarnate | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 06:34 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Irony incarnate - Chromolume 02:09 pm EDT 08/28/20 | |
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| Nothing makes me happier than the assumption that my profile name is a reference to LaChiusa's masterpiece. But alas, the name does not give any clues to my hair color. | |
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