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| Pirates of penzance was a success | |
| Posted by: dramedy 11:17 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
| In reply to: Gilbert & Sullivan - SUBRCCS 10:57 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| And like any revival, it needs a gimmick. Big star (like Linda ronstadt at the height of her career), or actors playing instruments or making it dark (like OK!). There’s really only 3 good operettas: mikado (redone as Hot Mikado) ; hms pinafore and penzance. And I think the bridge between opera and broadway is a shaky one at best. The la Boheme opera on broadway flopped in 2003. It had been 55 years since the last revival. I love the mikado but even I wouldn’t pay $200 plus to see it on broadway. |
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| Only 3? | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 03:31 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:27 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: Pirates of penzance was a success - dramedy 11:17 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| I think all G&S are good. Esp “Iolanthe.” Also love the operetta “Die Fliedermous” (sp?). | |
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| re: Only 3? | |
| Posted by: Snowysdad 11:34 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: Only 3? - KingSpeed 03:27 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| After clicking on a link from this thread I found this beautiful concert Iolanthe. Sadly there are whole numbers excised and the running commentary a bit annoying but the singing, playing from the orchestra and fantastic conducting by Jane Glover, well if this doesn't convince that G & S stand up even today, I don't know what will. Enjoy!! | |
| Link | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2F3OWd0o9w |
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| It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. | |
| Posted by: ShowGoer 07:32 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: Only 3? - KingSpeed 03:27 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| (though a ridiculous show) | |
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| re: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. | |
| Posted by: DavidEsq 12:14 am EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. - ShowGoer 07:32 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| I think many of the "second tier" G&S (Gondoliers, Ruddigore, Iolanthe, Patience, Yeoman) have some wonderful moments and great music but just aren't quite as accessible dramatically to audiences and harder to bring a more modern sensibility to. But most of my favorite individual numbers come from this group as opposed to the big three. | |
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| re: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. | |
| Posted by: whereismikeyfl 09:56 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. - ShowGoer 07:32 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| It is not that unpopular an opinion. There are a number of us who count Ruddigore as their favorite. And its patter trio seems to appear once a decade on Broadway in some popular musical or other. |
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| re: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 10:09 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. - whereismikeyfl 09:56 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| And its patter trio seems to appear once a decade on Broadway in some popular musical or other. Well, the Papp Pirates in 1981 and Millie in 2002. But I think that's it. :-) |
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| re: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 08:21 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:20 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s an unpopular opinion, but “Ruddigore” is my favorite G&S score. - ShowGoer 07:32 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| Well, they're ALL ridiculous - that's part of the fun. ;-) A favorite bit of dialogue in Ruddigore: Mad Margaret: But see, they come – Sir Despard and his evil crew! Hide, hide – they are all mad – quite mad! Rose: What makes you think that? Mad Margaret: Hush! They sing choruses in public. That's mad enough, I think. :-) |
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| re: Only 3? | |
| Posted by: Snowysdad 03:34 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: Only 3? - KingSpeed 03:27 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| Die Fliedermaus | |
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| re: Only 3? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 04:12 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Only 3? - Snowysdad 03:34 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| Die Fledermaus. | |
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| re: Only 3? | |
| Last Edit: Alcindoro 06:39 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| Posted by: Alcindoro 06:38 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Only 3? - AlanScott 04:12 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| Or, as B.J. Ward called it, DIE, FLEDERMAUS, DIE! | |
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| re: Only 3? | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 07:15 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Only 3? - Alcindoro 06:38 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| LOL. That's pretty funny. | |
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| re: Pirates of penzance was a success | |
| Posted by: Snowysdad 03:25 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
| In reply to: Pirates of penzance was a success - dramedy 11:17 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| There’s really only 3 good operettas: This died in the wool Savoyard would violently disagree, even taking into account that others are not as rabid as I. Iolanthe, The Gondoliers and Patience are all equal to The Mikado and H.M.S. Pinafore. I would argue that Pirates of Penzance actually is one of their in between works, large hunks of the second act are yawnable with the lead comic, Major General Stanley having no good second act feature. Ruddigore, The Sorcerer and Princess Ida may not be to everyone's tastes and Yeomen of the Guard is decidedly darker than the rest of G & S's oeuvre. That leaves us with Utopia Ltd and The Grand Duke, out of D'Oyly Carte's repertory for almost 75 years before making a very brief appearance in the Centennial year, possibly primarily so that Decca London could capture them on vinyl for posterity. I think The Grand Duke right up there with some of their better pieces and Utopia has its moments but lacks the consistancy of their best. Stylistically they are very far away from what is current, so one has to approach with that in mind. Some things are so great as to be forever, and I think Gilbert and Sullivan's best comes under that banner. |
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| re: Pirates of penzance was a success | |
| Posted by: StanS 03:44 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pirates of penzance was a success - Snowysdad 03:25 pm EDT 08/30/20 | |
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| You left out Trial By Jury. | |
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| re: Pirates of penzance was a success | |
| Last Edit: Chromolume 11:23 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:22 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
| In reply to: Pirates of penzance was a success - dramedy 11:17 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| There’s [sic] really only 3 good operettas: mikado (redone as Hot Mikado) ; hms pinafore and penzance. Your opinion. Perhaps you don't really know the others well? I would put Iolanthe The Gondoliers, Patience, Ruddigore, The Yeomen Of The Guard, and Trial By Jury as equally wonderful - and the few remaining ones aren't bad either. (And, my own opinion - for me personally, Pinafore is actually not all that high on my list - even though I acknowledge it's got some great stuff in it.) |
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| I’ve seen all of them on stage | |
| Posted by: dramedy 11:39 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Pirates of penzance was a success - Chromolume 11:22 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| I’d put gondoliers as number 4. I stick with my original 3 as the best. | |
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| re: I’ve seen all of them on stage | |
| Posted by: StanS 03:35 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: I’ve seen all of them on stage - dramedy 11:39 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| My top 3: 1. Mikado 2. Iolanthe 3. Ruddigore Pirates is almost at the bottom of my list. |
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| I'm with you, dramedy. | |
| Posted by: GrumpyMorningBoy 01:40 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: I’ve seen all of them on stage - dramedy 11:39 pm EDT 08/29/20 | |
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| I've seen an awful lot of G&S... and Mikado, Pinafore and Pirates are the only ones I'd ever pay to sit through again. - GMB |
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