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| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 10:55 am EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - Chazwaza 04:32 am EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| I don't disagree with what you are saying. If the Tony Nominating Committee had decided on their own that the role of Cassie be considered Best Actress, I wouldn't have had a problem with it. However, if McKechnie is to be believed, the committee told Bennett that Cassie was a featured role, and he then used his passion, charisma, and (possibly) sexual attractiveness to convince them to make Cassie a Lead. Bennett also wanted LuPone and Williams to be considered leads. He lost that battle. Do you really think that Bennett's behavior is the proper way to determine nominating decisions for Tony awards? |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 06:40 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 06:31 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - BroadwayTonyJ 10:55 am EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| I just realized an unintended casualty of Bennett's campaigning for Donna McKechnie in Leading Actress might've been Christine Andreas. Had McKechnie not been in Leading Actress, that slot probably would've gone to Andreas, who played Eliza in ''My Fair Lady.'' Her Broadway debut earned her a Theatre World Award. Happily, Andreas was nominated a few years later for ''Oklahoma!'' & ''On Your Toes.'' |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:45 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - WaymanWong 06:31 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| The ironic thing is that McKechnie's career was probably hurt by the decision. | |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 06:51 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - BroadwayTonyJ 06:45 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| Speaking of irony, Donna was Chita's standby in ''The Visit'' (2015). I wonder if they ever looked back at that 1976 Tony to-do together and laughed. | |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 07:02 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - WaymanWong 06:51 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| That's right. I forgot that Donna was her standby in The Visit. I was hoping she would have the chance to go on. I've had some pretty extensive conversations with both of them. Chita's tough -- she would laugh about it. Donna is very sweet -- she might not. |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Last Edit: Chazwaza 05:11 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:03 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - BroadwayTonyJ 10:55 am EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| I definitely do not by any means agree with him that LuPone or Williams were justified in being nominated as Leads. That is clearly him trying to get more nominations for the show. But I do think that Donna as Cassie is justified. It kills me that it meant Chita and Gwen wouldn't win for their much bigger and indisputably lead roles... but that is up to the voters not the nominating committee at that point. But producers petitions for actors to be in one category or the other is not new or specific to Bennett or the Tonys. Normally I want it to be fair, based on what the reality of the role is. But I also get that some actors who have Tonys for leading roles nominated as Featured (or Supporting) wouldn't have won if they'd been in the category more suited to the role. Which means a great performer in a great role for to have an award recognizing that. On the other hand, when a lead role competes against other featured roles, it isn't really fair because it's hard to compete with a heavyweight in a middle weight fight. So it's hard to say. But with ACL, and any show like it, I think that when there is no lead, picking someone who is the lead within the context is not unfair. It's not like they said that Mama Morton was a lead in Chicago. I find Cassie being called a lead (no matter by what means they arrived at that decision) much more fair and sensible than Meryl being nominated for Lead in Devil Wears Prada at the Oscars, for example. |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Last Edit: BroadwayTonyJ 06:12 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| Posted by: BroadwayTonyJ 06:12 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - Chazwaza 05:03 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| I think movies are somewhat different than theatre. Miranda in Prada is the star part and Streep is a star. I think Brando as Vito Corleone in Godfather is a similar situation. | |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 09:49 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - BroadwayTonyJ 06:12 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| I'm not sure why it's different. Meryl played the definition of a supporting role to Hathaway in a definition of a leading role. Meryl has also been nominated as Supporting several times while she was a big star, as recently as 2015 in a lead role (The Witch -- yes, Baker's Wife is probably more of the Lead Actress role but they both are, and not because the Witch is a showy role but it also has a TON of stage/screen time and many songs and a crushing emotional arc... and was place as the lead for the Tonys, Drama Desks, and Oliviers), after she was in Prada. And beyond how her role is easily definably "supporting" in Prada, the role also doesn't even compare to the other actually lead roles nominated that year (Volver, Little Children, Notes On a Scandal, and The Queen which won). It's like the reverse William Daniels situation. |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: BigM 05:09 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - Chazwaza 05:03 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| Williams is Sammy Williams, who played Paul in CHORUS LINE. LuPone is not Patti but her brother Robert, who played the choreographer Zach. | |
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| re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 05:18 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
| In reply to: re: If you think the Tonys are all Moishe Kapoyr - BigM 05:09 pm EDT 08/31/20 | |
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| thanks! Sorry I edited that part of the post after i read another post in the thread explaining it. I swear I know who Robert LuPone is I just totally forgot about the men of ACL, ha. And I also couldn't imagine anyone arguing that Zach, or any male character, were justified as a "Lead" for awards purposes or otherwise. | |
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