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| re: Is it Les Mis or Les Miz? And has it changed over time? | |
| Last Edit: KingSpeed 03:30 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 03:26 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is it Les Mis or Les Miz? And has it changed over time? - NewtonUK 12:57 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Actually, s is most often silent in French. Esp at the end of a word. But whether you’re saying the word spelled “miserable” in French or English, the “s” is a “z” sound. | |
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| No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:56 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Is it Les Mis or Les Miz? And has it changed over time? - KingSpeed 03:26 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Speaking generally, S is often voiced in French. The S at the end of a word is only silent if the following word begins with a consonant. So, for example, "très fatigue" is pronounced "tray fat-ee-gay" with the S silent. But if the following word begins with a vowel, then the S is pronounced as a Z. So, for example, "très amusant" is pronounced "tray za-mu-zant". This is called an elision, is it's a primary reason why French sentences glide so fluidly from word to word (which can be particularly hard for listening comprehension for beginner speakers). | |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 06:00 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: No, that's not true - Singapore/Fling 04:56 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Speaking generally, S is often voiced in French. And of course I know you mean "pronounced," as opposed to the IPA distinctions between a "voiced" S (the "Z" sound") and an "unvoiced" S (the "S" sound) - both of which are used in French. :-) |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 06:46 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - Chromolume 06:00 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Alas, I never took my IPA class. :-) | |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 07:11 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - Singapore/Fling 06:46 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Just once, I want a crossword clue to mean that IPA... (The one that always comes to mind first.) | |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:30 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - sirpupnyc 07:11 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| There was a fun production of My Fair Lady in Boston a few years ago, in which the set design had walls with phonetic symbols all over them. I thought it was a neat design - and kept saying that here was one show where you could get your IPA during the show instead of going out for one after...;-) | |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 08:43 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - Chromolume 08:30 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Based on the famous play by George Bernard Schwa? Yeah, I know. I'll get my coat. |
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| Ouch ;-P | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 08:48 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - MockingbirdGirl 08:43 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Hysterical. And painful. | |
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| re: No, that's not true | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 08:45 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - MockingbirdGirl 08:43 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Based on the famous play by George Bernard Schwa? By George, you've got it. ;-) |
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| All-female version | |
| Posted by: BruceinIthaca 09:48 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: No, that's not true - Chromolume 08:45 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Let's not forget the all-female, feminist version, no doubt starring Bobbi Adler as Jeanne Valerie Jeanne: Les Ms. | |
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