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| Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: Robt 06:26 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Listening to "Camelot" for the first time in years, I realized that I do not recognize the final melody in the overture, starting at about 2:20 on the original Broadway cast recording. Was this music used as underscoring at some point, or the tune for an unused song, or merely meant as mood music? | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 06:42 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:38 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: Camelot Overture Question - Robt 06:26 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| It's the music for "The Jousts," a full number that you can hear on the original London cast recording and on the London revival cast recording with Richard Harris. I think it may be used as underscoring or transitional music as well, perhaps for the entrance into the hall for the dubbing scene at the end of act one. I'd have to check. EDIT: Oops. I should have listened first. "The Jousts" uses the same music as "The Parade," heard in the opening scene (despite its placement on the original LP issue of the OBCR). |
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| More correct answer now, I think | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:55 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - AlanScott 06:38 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| It was heard as the knights paraded on their way to the hall for the last scene in act one, and (as I edited in my first reply) it's not the same music as "The Jousts." It seems that the sequence in which it was heard was done in-one in the original production. And then the music changed when the curtain came up on the hall (the set we can see on the back of the original LP issue). | |
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| re: More correct answer now, I think | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:33 am EDT 09/02/20 | |
| In reply to: More correct answer now, I think - AlanScott 06:55 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Much appreciate this. It's always been one of my favorite melodies in the overture and score, since I saw the First National in DC when I was in 7th grade. I used to listen to it repeatedly, and always wanted more. I always found the darker, or should I say, "period"-esque material in the score underappreciated. I remember when Lin Miranda talked about how much he loved "Guinevere," it reminded me of my own affection for it as a kid. Still my favorite song in the show, it's arrangement and vocals thrilling. | |
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| I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 07:37 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: More correct answer now, I think - AlanScott 06:55 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Not after decades listening to the LP... Laura, who stares at the CD player every time... |
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| re: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD | |
| Last Edit: AlanScott 12:26 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 12:26 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
| In reply to: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD - showtunetrivia 07:37 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| It can be tough to get used to those changes of order. Sometimes, the LP order really did make for better home listening. Two lesser-known ones that were greatly re-ordered were Promenade and Dr. Selavy's Magic Theater, and I think the LP order was better for listening outside the show. Of course, the former left out almost half the score. I have, though, sometimes re-ordered CDs that were not re-ordered in a particular issue, to put the tracks in show order. But with both Camelot and Sweet Charity, it really doesn't make for great listening to have an instrumental right after the overture, even if that's how it was in the show. In fact, I think Camelot's beginning is rather screwy. The curtain goes up, and after just 30 seconds, when we're waiting for the story to really start, we spend 90 seconds watching something completely unnecessary, although the music is neat. |
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| re: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD | |
| Posted by: showtunetrivia 12:49 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
| In reply to: re: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD - AlanScott 12:26 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
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| Oh, I agree the CAMELOT LP order is kind of silly. But I’m so conditioned. I think the three albums I most remember my mom playing when I was very, very small, were CAMELOT, MFL, and KISS ME, KATE. They’re imprinted on my brain. 😄 Laura |
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| re: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 01:23 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
| In reply to: re: I still cannot deal with the change of order on the CD - showtunetrivia 12:49 am EDT 09/03/20 | |
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| Oh, but I don't think the Camelot LP order is kind of silly. I think the show order is kind of silly, or at least rather ineffective as home listening. Actually, it might have made sense to put what the LP called "Parade" after the title song. Not too far from where it comes in the show. In fact, the court does re-enter there, but to different music (an orchestral version of the title song) than the music heard when they exited ("Parade"). |
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| re: More correct answer now, I think | |
| Posted by: Robt 07:09 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: More correct answer now, I think - AlanScott 06:55 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Thanks. I thought it might be the music to "The Joust," which I'd never heard, and checked it against that same clip before posting my question! | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 06:53 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - AlanScott 06:38 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Question: Did Robert Goulet ever get over the title billing during the run, as the reissued (or 2nd cover) of the cast album has him to the right of Richard Burton and Julie Andrews above the title? | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 06:59 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - PlayWiz 06:53 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Yes. After Andrews left, he was above the title with William Squire (replacement Arthur who was billed to the right of Andrews above the title while she still in the show) and the various Gueneveres after Andrews, who were to the right of Squire, and then Goulet was on the far right. | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Last Edit: PlayWiz 07:40 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| Posted by: PlayWiz 07:36 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - AlanScott 06:59 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Thanks, Alan. Would Kathryn Grayson probably have gotten left side billing when she took over Guenevere due to her movie fame? Some interesting cast changes -- Madeleine Sherwood as Morgan LeFey, John Cullum as Mordred (usually think of a young somewhat charactery juvenile for the role) and Arthur Treacher as Pellinore, plus Mary Sue Berry whose "Follow Me" is lovely on the OCR was actually the understudy for Nimue. Also Inga Swenson was Julie Andrews' standby. | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:36 am EDT 09/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - PlayWiz 07:36 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| I saw Arthur Treacher in the First National. And at about the same time (I was in middle school), a stock tour that had Howard Keel, Constance Towers, and as Mordred, a young man named Jon Voight. | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: Amiens 07:49 pm EDT 09/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - Delvino 07:36 am EDT 09/02/20 | |
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| Delvino, I saw Jon Voight as an unforgettable Rodolfo in what I remember as a sensational production of A View from the Bridge at the old downtown Circle-in-the-Square theater in 1965/66. I was one of a few students brought there by my high school English teacher. I had seen a few Broadway shows by then but never any professional theater performed in the round in such a tiny space. All revivals of that play have failed to measure up to that production. And years later, when I looked at the playbill, I noticed Dustin Hoffman was listed as the Assistant Stage Manager. Sorry to digress from all the good Camelot memories :) |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: Delvino 07:55 pm EDT 09/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - Amiens 07:49 pm EDT 09/02/20 | |
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| What perfect casting. That would be within a year of his Mordred. He was a charismatic young actor with a defining vulnerability. | |
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| re: Camelot Overture Question | |
| Posted by: StageDoorJohnny 11:20 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Camelot Overture Question - PlayWiz 07:36 pm EDT 09/01/20 | |
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| Cullum was two years younger than McDowell | |
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