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| Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: JereNYC (JereNYC@aol.com) 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| I guess it just goes to show that, just because we love their talent, doesn't make our Broadway favorites smart or considerate of their fellow human beings. Frankly, I'm really surprised, but, then again, I don't know him. He might just be either not that bright or an asshole. | |
| Link | https://deadline.com/2020/11/chad-kimball-broadway-actor-covid-coronavirus-survivor-backlash-disobey-restrictions-religious-services-1234616363/ |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: BillEadie 06:17 pm EST 11/19/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| Christopher Ashley seems to like Chad Kimball. He cast him as the DJ who played “Black music” in Memphis and again as half of a gay couple in Come From Away. Both productions went from La Jolla to Broadway, and to the best of my recollection, Mr. Kimball gave solid and committed performances in each. Of course, we don’t know how anyone may go off the rails, but Mr. Kimball in my memory of his acting, seemed committed to values that I personally hold. Bill, in San Diego |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: Chazwaza 04:42 pm EST 11/23/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - BillEadie 06:17 pm EST 11/19/20 | |
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| I'm not clear on how his acting in scripted roles on stage made it seem clear he was committed to values you hold. How can one communicate a commitment to certain values as a person within their acting of a role that is not them and is scripted and directed by someone else? | |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: hugoP 08:12 am EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| Somehow I think Chad might be using "Proud of Your Boy" as his audition song. | |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Last Edit: lordofspeech 04:00 am EST 11/18/20 | |
| Posted by: lordofspeech 03:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| There are differing perspectives, at least two that are quite opposed: the Fauci/WHO/Ferguson/mainstream-media narrative from April, and the more holistic perspective exemplified by Doctor Scott Atlas and the doctors subscribing to the Great Barrington Declaration. Neither side has incontrovertible scientific proof, although they each don’t understand or respect the other. Kimball has every right to make a stand, even one that may have him be cancelled in and by the media, which the article suggests is happening. The popular view is not always the true one (cf., Ibsen’s “Enemy of the People, wherein a protagonist stands up for a radically unpopular scientific thesis which turns out to be true, or Brecht’s “Galileo” or Howard Sackler’s “Semmelweis”). |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:14 pm EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - lordofspeech 03:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
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| Can you remind me the scene in "Enemy of the People" where it turns out that wealthy climate change deniers are funding a fringe theory that actively imperils the health of the entire community? Somehow, I missed that when I last read the play. | |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: AlanScott 12:03 pm EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - lordofspeech 03:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
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| I often think about An Enemy of the People and "The majority is never right" when I happen to be part of the majority. But there is a difference between the majority narrative vs. the minority belief here and the majority vs. minority narratives in the two plays you cite (one of them based on fact) that deal with the spread of disease. The difference is that the majority in this case is saying "Take precautions. We must do more to prevent the spread of disease," vs. the minority saying, "Doing less will be better. Let nature take its course. Everything is pretty OK and we don't need to make hard choices." In this case, the president and Altman are more like Peter Stockmann than they are like Thomas. |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: ryhog 10:12 am EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - lordofspeech 03:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
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| This is not the right forum for discussing either science or politics and I am going to resist the temptation as much as I would like to jump in with both feet. I would just point out that what Kimball did was not an espousal of a "differing perspective" or "mak[ing] a stand . .. for a radically unpopular scientific thesis" but a statement of intention to violate the law in a way that has been deemed a danger, with an at least implicit incitement of others to follow him down that path. That's intolerable in a society governed by the rule of law. | |
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| This! ^^^^ (nm) | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 01:40 am EST 11/19/20 | |
| In reply to: re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - ryhog 10:12 am EST 11/18/20 | |
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| It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. | |
| Posted by: dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| His singing now wouldn’t spread virus. The problem is that others don’t know that he is immune when he doesn’t wear a mask. One has to lead by example. Maybe he should wear a sign stating he is a covid survivor and immune. | |
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| Some potentially dangerous misinformation there, friend | |
| Posted by: Quicheo 12:13 pm EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| There is some evidence that Covid reinfections occur and immunity is not permanent or even lasting longer than a few months. It is premature to suggest that anyone is immune. Even the presence of anti-bodies is inconclusive--I'm sure we all remember that people with HIV have anti-bodies to HIV. There is much nuance to this and the science is still working it out. Again, it is quite possible that each time a person gets re-infected, they will pass the virus on as before. There is some thought that follow up infections will be less severe or even asymptomatic as people have a stronger immune response, but this is also at the level of weak data. And, for the proverbial record, I am a physician and I am working at a hospital where the research on the vaccine and rapid tests are being done. I agree with the thrust of your post, though, and agree that we must lead by example. |
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| re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. | |
| Posted by: Chromolume 11:54 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| His singing now wouldn’t spread virus. We don't know that. |
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| re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:14 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| There is no science to support that covid-survivors have permanent immunity. The CDC says: "Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected." | |
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| There have been documented reinfections already | |
| Posted by: Lois 07:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - MockingbirdGirl 10:14 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| A small number of documented cases around the world, and the 2nd COVID infection may be more severe. In one case the 2nd infection was fatal. And since so many COVID cases were never officially diagnosed in the first place (especially earlier, due to the extreme lack of testing, which is still a problem to some extent) and the initial strain needs to be documented, the actual numbers for reinfections are probably higher, though there's no way of knowing how much higher. Reinfection rates may also go up over time, as has been pointed out. | |
| Link | Can you get COVID-19 twice? It's possible, but experts say it's 'quite rare' |
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| re: There have been documented reinfections already | |
| Posted by: theaterbear 07:44 pm EST 11/18/20 | |
| In reply to: There have been documented reinfections already - Lois 07:58 am EST 11/18/20 | |
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| There have been reports that Harvey Weinstein has been reinfected with Covid.. or rather Covid has been infected with Harvey Weinstein twice. | |
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| re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. | |
| Posted by: pecansforall 10:11 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| Maybe he should wear a sign stating he is a covid survivor and immune. Three things come to mind. I don't think the experts have had enough time to determine if one becomes immune after being infected and then recovering. There's also the question of if one does become immune, how long might the immunity last. Currently there are about a half-dozen strains of Covid and I don't think we know yet if one who has recovered might be immune to one strain and not the others. As always, I could be wrong. |
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| Unfortunately | |
| Posted by: dramedy 10:22 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - pecansforall 10:11 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| The talk of vaccine as going back to normal world is so premature. This could be like the flu where the vaccine is best guess at next season flu. I hope that isn’t the case for covid where there isn’t full permanent immunity like we have for mumps and small pox. I find dIfferent strains of covid to be troubling. | |
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| Posted by: pecansforall 10:27 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Unfortunately - dramedy 10:22 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| Hey Dramadey, I just did some research and found this from August that might bring some comfort. The virus causing the COVID-19 pandemic, SARS-CoV-2, presents at least six strains. Despite its mutations, the virus shows little variability, and this is good news for the researchers working on a viable vaccine. SARS-CoV-2 mutation rate remains low. As always, I could be wrong. |
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| How To End Your Career | |
| Posted by: shocktheatre 05:05 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| What else can you say? | |
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| I don't know him... | |
| Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 04:36 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| ... but he sounds like a douchebag. | |
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| re: I don't know him... | |
| Posted by: Roman 11:07 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: I don't know him... - MockingbirdGirl 04:36 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| As usual, you are correct. | |
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| re: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy | |
| Posted by: waterfall 03:49 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
| In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20 | |
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| Kimball has donated to Trump more than once. He follows and "likes" posts and articles by and about Qanon. I don't know what reaction he expected to get, but I'm not sorry that his fellow performers are voicing their opinion. |
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