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It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune.
Posted by: dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: Chad Kimball Courts Controversy - JereNYC 01:31 pm EST 11/17/20

His singing now wouldn’t spread virus. The problem is that others don’t know that he is immune when he doesn’t wear a mask. One has to lead by example. Maybe he should wear a sign stating he is a covid survivor and immune.
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Some potentially dangerous misinformation there, friend
Posted by: Quicheo 12:13 pm EST 11/18/20
In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20

There is some evidence that Covid reinfections occur and immunity is not permanent or even lasting longer than a few months. It is premature to suggest that anyone is immune. Even the presence of anti-bodies is inconclusive--I'm sure we all remember that people with HIV have anti-bodies to HIV. There is much nuance to this and the science is still working it out. Again, it is quite possible that each time a person gets re-infected, they will pass the virus on as before. There is some thought that follow up infections will be less severe or even asymptomatic as people have a stronger immune response, but this is also at the level of weak data.

And, for the proverbial record, I am a physician and I am working at a hospital where the research on the vaccine and rapid tests are being done.

I agree with the thrust of your post, though, and agree that we must lead by example.
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re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune.
Posted by: Chromolume 11:54 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20

His singing now wouldn’t spread virus.

We don't know that.
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re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune.
Posted by: MockingbirdGirl 10:14 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20

There is no science to support that covid-survivors have permanent immunity. The CDC says: "Based on what we know from similar viruses, some reinfections are expected."
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There have been documented reinfections already
Posted by: Lois 07:58 am EST 11/18/20
In reply to: re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - MockingbirdGirl 10:14 pm EST 11/17/20

A small number of documented cases around the world, and the 2nd COVID infection may be more severe. In one case the 2nd infection was fatal. And since so many COVID cases were never officially diagnosed in the first place (especially earlier, due to the extreme lack of testing, which is still a problem to some extent) and the initial strain needs to be documented, the actual numbers for reinfections are probably higher, though there's no way of knowing how much higher. Reinfection rates may also go up over time, as has been pointed out.
Link Can you get COVID-19 twice? It's possible, but experts say it's 'quite rare'
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re: There have been documented reinfections already
Posted by: theaterbear 07:44 pm EST 11/18/20
In reply to: There have been documented reinfections already - Lois 07:58 am EST 11/18/20

There have been reports that Harvey Weinstein has been reinfected with Covid.. or rather Covid has been infected with Harvey Weinstein twice.
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re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune.
Posted by: pecansforall 10:11 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - dramedy 09:46 pm EST 11/17/20

Maybe he should wear a sign stating he is a covid survivor and immune.

Three things come to mind. I don't think the experts have had enough time to determine if one becomes immune after being infected and then recovering. There's also the question of if one does become immune, how long might the immunity last. Currently there are about a half-dozen strains of Covid and I don't think we know yet if one who has recovered might be immune to one strain and not the others.

As always, I could be wrong.
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Unfortunately
Posted by: dramedy 10:22 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: re: It’s easy to be defiant when one is immune. - pecansforall 10:11 pm EST 11/17/20

The talk of vaccine as going back to normal world is so premature. This could be like the flu where the vaccine is best guess at next season flu. I hope that isn’t the case for covid where there isn’t full permanent immunity like we have for mumps and small pox. I find dIfferent strains of covid to be troubling.
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re: Unfortunately
Posted by: pecansforall 10:27 pm EST 11/17/20
In reply to: Unfortunately - dramedy 10:22 pm EST 11/17/20

Hey Dramadey, I just did some research and found this from August that might bring some comfort.

The virus causing the COVID-19 pandemic, SARS-CoV-2, presents at least six strains. Despite its mutations, the virus shows little variability, and this is good news for the researchers working on a viable vaccine. SARS-CoV-2 mutation rate remains low.

As always, I could be wrong.
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