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| Posted by: NewsGuy 02:50 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - StageLover 10:51 am EST 11/30/20 | |
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| I say go for it. Can't keep saying 'no' forever. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 04:36 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 02:50 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| I am curious about one thing: how many of your own friends and family are you willing to sacrifice to your blind "go for it" philosophy? Because that's what going for it before it's time means. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: NewsGuy 04:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - ryhog 04:36 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| At this point - it's about living with it and learning how to say YES instead of having to say NO all the time and hiding away. No one is being sacrificed. Pull your head out, be smart and one can manage. I've been working in North Dakota on the spike there for the past month. Roughly 1 in 10 in the state have it as this point - I don't ... because I learned how to live with it and yet still frequented restaurants, breweries, parks, universities, government centers and even hospitals. |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 08:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| You are confounding personal perspectives with epidemiological ones. As many of us have known since March, individual action can result in avoidance of the virus. That is the signature point of masks and distancing, handwashing etc. But our government has a different and very hard job, which is to save others (including the helpless) from themselves. Because there are still stupid people in this country (hello North Dakota!) there must be control. Much of Asia solved this riddle before it even got going. We didn't. We had people talking about finding ways to say yes and that's why we are looking forward to a "horrible" winter. It's sad but true. You think you have figured out all of these inconsistencies but you are a tyro. Data drives what is allowed and what is not. New York has the best numbers of any state of meaningful size and shape because of that. As I said, the positivity in my zip code in 1.5% (double from what it was a month ago, but still low enough to let things happen). We have had a very festive summer, but we also have to be smart, and Broadway theatres are not smart. Oh, and those "shacks a lot of restaurants built that not everyone understands? Read the regulations: if the are not open on 2 sides, they are indoor seating. That lets a restaurant increase its indoor capacity but if we end up shutting indoors down (as we have done in the zones with higher infections - which, incidentally, are nonetheless a fraction of North Dakota or most everywhere else in this country). It's a calculated risk that didn't seem as risky a few weeks ago. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: Thom915 08:18 pm EST 12/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - ryhog 08:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| North Dakota may be stupid but they really cannot hold a candle to South Dakota host of the Sturgis motorcycle rally and a state which unlike its northern sibling still does not have a mask mandate. Broadway's reopening I think depends on the effectiveness of the vaccine and of the vaccine's rollout. We have been promised that everyone in the country who wants a vaccine will be able to get a vaccine by May but of course we have been promised many things by government before ("anyone who wants a test can get a test" and to be non-partisan "if you like your doctor you will be able to keep your doctor") so we have to see How both things go. If 70% or more of the country is vaccinated by June and the vaccine according to the numbers appears to be working, it is very probable that a reopening of Broadway can begin to roll out and at a capacity of more than 40% (which would not be practical for most shows) Getting people to the theater in supportable numbers would probably be the real challenge especially until such time as tourism begins to pick up in New York City which given the state of a post pandemic recovery will take more than a bit of time, I think. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 11:40 pm EST 12/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - Thom915 08:18 pm EST 12/01/20 | |
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| I always get the Dakotas mixed up so mea culpa. (Not that ND has anything to be bragging about atm.) I agree that everything is vaccine dependent and we are only guessing right now. I also agree that shows can't reopen until the audiences for those shows (which are not the same of course) are ready willing and able to buy tickets and again, we are only guessing right now. As I have said, the economy may be a bigger challenge than the virus. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: sirpupnyc 12:28 am EST 12/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - ryhog 11:40 pm EST 12/01/20 | |
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| I always mix up the Dakota and the San Remo. :) Not that it negates any of your points, but FWIW, I saw my doctor this afternoon and he's expecting vaccines to be in general distribution (beyond the initial targeted groups) by spring. He's not one to parrot the party line if he disagrees, and he's an infectious diseases guy. I'll still believe it when it happens, but I put more stock in his opinion than that of a politician or pundit. Still doesn't put me back to work, but it makes me a little more hopeful for fall or maybe summer. Though Unemployment is still going to run out before my lack of employment, so... |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 07:28 pm EST 12/02/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - sirpupnyc 12:28 am EST 12/02/20 | |
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| "I always mix up the Dakota and the San Remo. :) " The San Remo was originally supposed to be called the Dakota, and the two towers would have been North Dakota and South Dakota. When that fell through, they were going to call the San Remo the North Dakota and the Dakota the South Dakota. That fell through too. I think your doc is probably right. Still, it'll take a while for that general distribution to happen, and remember there are a lot of people who, while not being anti-vaxxers, plan to wait until they can let the side effects play out in the general population. I hope you get back sooner rather than later. I've been sayin' the Fall since the Spring. |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:16 am EST 12/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - ryhog 08:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| Thanks for the info on those shacks. New ones are built every day, replacing previous outdoor dining areas, so I was under the impression they were still being treated as such. Good to know they're not. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: ryhog 12:44 pm EST 12/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - Singapore/Fling 12:16 am EST 12/01/20 | |
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| I know I am veering off-topic but I thought this was good and useful. And it DOES have applications and implications for theatre-going concerns. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: Ncassidine 08:31 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| North Dakota has done the worst job of almost any state. | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: KingSpeed 05:37 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:56 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| It’s all about you, isn’t? | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:28 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 02:50 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| Surely you understand that there is a fairly wide gap between "seven months from now" and "forever". And also, perhaps, that there is a difference between cautiously saying "let's act with prudence in the face of a deadly pandemic" and the petulant act of saying "no" (or, perhaps, saying "Yes!" to infection and death). So while we can't keep saying No forever, we could perhaps keep saying No until it is safe to say Yes, which might be as early as July 4 or might require waiting an additional half year to even a full year... which to anyone but a child is clearly not "forever". |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: NewsGuy 04:47 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - Singapore/Fling 04:28 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| Not the point. The point is COVID is becoming an excuse for anything and everything. I can't go out to eat inside a restaurant because of COVID but I can eat outdoors....inside. I can't walk across the amusement park at the Mall of America where I'd be spaced far apart from people because of COVID but I can go into the Gap and stand shoulder to shoulder with everyone. I can't go to a bar because of the number of contact tracing cases going back to private parties and gatherings - so therefore we have to close the bars so we have more private parties and gatherings. I can't go into Ikea without a face mask but by all means, if I have Scabies or Syphilis...come on in and rub your cooch all over everything in the store. I can't go to Panera Bread after 8 p.m. because of COVID but magically it's not a problem from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. The problem here is all the inconsistencies. So many seem to think a vaccine is magically going to come and cure everything overnight. One little thing goes wrong or one case goes astray - and everyone is going to go back to square one. Nothing is going on here except going backwards and people are just going to entirely get COVID fatigue and say screw it and start doing things anyway. Instead of saying "no," it's time to work on how to*LEARN* to say "yes". |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
| Posted by: Zelgo 08:58 am EST 12/01/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:47 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| There are good reasons for those NOs. Avoid eating inside restaurants because those who test positive are twice as likely to have eaten inside a restaurant in the previous two weeks. You likely can't go inside the amusement park because they tend to have slow moving lines. In stores like Gap, people move around constantly and don't stay long. You can't go into bars because, when people get drunk, they tend to stop socially distancing and wearing masks. You can't go into any store without a mask because no store wants to become a nidus of infection for an epidemic. Plus, customers would avoid a store that doesn't require masks. You can't go to a restaurant after a certain time (usually 10 pm) because inhibitions go down in the evenings, and people stop following public health rules. Again, many transmissions are traced back to being in bars/restaurants particularly after 10. All of these rules make sense when you understand the science behind them. By ignoring the science and the rules, people are just prolonging the epidemic and the failing economy. Vaccine will likely start being available to the general public around April/May. Everyone will have to take two shots about a month apart. There will be tons of anti-vaxxers (both on the right and the left politically), who may throw a wrench into everything. So, to immunize an entire population will take months. People will then have to feel comfortable traveling again and coming to NYC, which was the epicenter at the start because of its density. I'm predicting that Bway won't get back to normal until about Fall, 2021, and I'm being generous. We will all likely still have to wear masks for a while. |
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| Logic? He don't need no stinkin' logic! nmi | |
| Posted by: frankm 06:21 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:47 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| Posted by: Ann 05:40 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| Jeez, what Ikea do you go to? | |
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| re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 | |
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| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:39 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
| In reply to: re: The Post says HAMILTON might re-open Broadway on July 4 - NewsGuy 04:47 pm EST 11/30/20 | |
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| And look at that, you were able to write something actually constructive and nuanced. Many of the examples you cite are indeed the result of inconsistent responses with misplaced priorities, and I'm as baffled as you are at why restaurants have started building outdoor sheds with walls and a roof that are, at best, indoor structures with large windows, which is somehow okay. But the examples you cite are also of people saying "yes" to all kinds of nonsense without fully thinking it through, based on inconclusive science, fueled by the fear of an economic meltdown. Really, what you offer us is an argument for saying "No" more often than we currently are. And good God, I hope you're wearing a mask when you go to IKEA, as I'm sure you care about your fellow human beings enough to want to protect everyone's health. (Though, perhaps I wrote too soon, having read your response to ryhog... I sure hope your luck holds out.) |
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