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| SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 11:40 am EST 02/04/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 11:24 am EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Daveed Diggs was nominated for Male Actor in a TV Movie or Limited Series. (SAG Awards have 1 category for Leading & Supporting performers.) The SAG Awards don't have a category for Ensemble in a TV Movie or Limited Series, or else ''Hamilton'' might've scored there, too. Elsewhere, Leslie Odom Jr., Tony winner for ''Hamilton,'' got a Supporting Actor nomination for ''One Night in Miami.'' Other nominees from stage-related properties: Viola Davis and Chadwick Boseman in ''Ma Rainey's Black Bottom''; Anthony Hopkins and Olivia Colman in ''The Father''; plus ''Ma Rainey's Black Bottom'' and ''One Night in Miami'' for Cast in a Motion Picture. Also historic: 4 of the 5 movies up for Cast in a Motion Picture, which include ''Da 5 Bloods'' and ''Minari,'' are about people of color. |
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| Link | IndieWire.com: 2021 SAG Award nominations list |
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| re: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs | |
| Posted by: showtunesoprano 07:59 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs - WaymanWong 11:24 am EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I would add that the 5th movie (Trial of the Chicago 7), while not solely about people of color, features real characters from the Black civil rights movement, and some very powerful scenes regarding justice (or lack there of) for Black people. | |
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| re: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 11:48 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs - showtunesoprano 07:59 pm EST 02/05/21 | |
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| One of the themes of ''The Trial of the Chicago 7'' is about the injustices that African-Americans face. And Yahya Abdul-Mateen II plays Bobby Seale, the co-founder of the Black Panther Party. But 9 of the other 10 actors in the film's SAG-nominated ensemble are Caucasian. |
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| A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:22 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:14 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs - WaymanWong 11:24 am EST 02/04/21 | |
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| In its SAG nomination for Cast of a Motion Picture, ''Ma Rainey's' Black Bottom'' lists: Viola Davis, who plays Ma Rainey, and Chadwick Boseman, Colman Domingo, Michael Potts and Glynn Turman, who make up the singer's band. There's just one more actor included: Jonny Coyne, who played Sturdyvant, the white owner of the record label. But where's Jeremy Shamos, who played Irvin, Ma Rainey's white manager? Throughout the movie, Irvin is trying to keep Ma Rainey on track to finish the record. Irvin has more screen time than Sturdyvant, but Shamos isn't included in the SAG ensemble nomination. Which seems unfair. (If it were up to me, the ensemble also would include Taylor Paige, who played Ma Rainey's girlfriend.) Many of you might recognize Shamos from his Broadway work, which includes a Tony nomination for ''Clybourne Park.'' Is there a SAG member here who can explain how movies determine who's eligible for SAG's Cast in a Motion Picture? I suspect billing plays a role, but ''Ma Rainey's'' lists only 6 actors, while ''Da 5 Bloods'' lists up to 15 (a number of whom seem to be ''unknown''). Also nominated in Cast in a Motion Picture: Tony nominees Norm Lewis (''Porgy and Bess'') in ''Da 5 Bloods'' & Joaquina Kalukango (''Slave Play'') in ''One Night in Miami.'' And there are 4 Tony winners in ''The Trial of the Chicago 7'': Frank Langella, Eddie Redmayne, Mark Rylance and Alex Sharp. |
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| Link | Deadline.com: SAG Award nominations (includes lists of all the actors in Cast of a Motion Picture) |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: FrenchDip 06:55 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - WaymanWong 04:14 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| SAG Awards rules say that to be included in the Best Ensemble award an actor has to have their own title card. Jeremy Shamos and Taylour Paige (who plays Dussie Mae) share a title card, making them both ineligible. | |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 07:38 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 07:38 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - FrenchDip 06:55 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| So this is what puzzles me: In ''Ma Rainey's'' credits, Viola Davis and Chadwick Boseman share a title card, too. Just out of curiosity, I looked up the credits of ''Da 5 Bloods'': All 15 members of its ensemble got single title cards. So what determines whether an actor gets his/her own title card? Is it contractual, tied to one's salary, or arbitrary? Could ''Ma Rainey's'' have put Shamos and Paige on separate title cards? Why did it list only 6 actors, while ''Da 5 Bloods'' went with 15? |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: mikem 10:09 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - WaymanWong 07:38 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I'm pretty sure the title card name placement is contractual and NOT related to salary. I think it's up to each individual production how many they want to have. It's analogous to how many people are above or below the title in a Broadway show. That's related to the size of the roles, but ultimately up to the production. Roundabout gives out above-the-title billing like water. Alexander Gemignani was billed above the title for playing the Boatman in their Sunday in the Park with George, and there is no way anyone could justify that is a leading role or otherwise deserving of above-the-title billing. (Gemignani is very talented; this is not about him per se.) An interesting theater-related note to SAG designation: apparently, Britney Spears was under serious consideration for playing one of the Merry Murderesses in the film version of Chicago, which won the SAG Award for Best Ensemble. Each of the Murderesses was named on a separate title card and won the SAG. So Britney Spears, who is a truly terrible actress, came close to winning one of the highest acting awards. |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: bobby2 03:36 am EST 02/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - mikem 10:09 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Billing is in the contracts. Especially for lead actors. It will say the font must be the same size as the other actors or must be bigger etc. Every detail is negotiated (or to quote Sunday, every minor detail is a major decision.) Spears was supposed to play Go to Hell Kitty but ended up not. (not sure if this was due to her mental issues.) As it is now I always find Lucy Liu odd in the role. She's not a big enough star to have a special cameo like that. They should have got Bebe Neuwirth or someone else that would make the cameo meaningful. |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 05:03 pm EST 02/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - bobby2 03:36 am EST 02/06/21 | |
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| Lucy Liu is more famous and recognizable to the general public than Bebe Neuwirth is, especially at the time the film was made, when Liu was prominently starring in the "Charlie Angels" franchise. Bebe being in the part would have only been meaningful to the small core of Broadway fans who knew her association with the stage show. | |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Last Edit: WaymanWong 04:42 pm EST 02/06/21 | |
| Posted by: WaymanWong 04:39 pm EST 02/06/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - bobby2 03:36 am EST 02/06/21 | |
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| I was happy to see Lucy Liu in ''Chicago.'' She's an Emmy nominee and a two-time SAG Award winner. It's not as if ''Chicago'' required her to do a dynamic dance solo (beyond her skill set); she was simply playing an angry socialite who shoots her lover. Billy Flynn says Kitty's mother ''owns all the pineapples in Hawaii,'' so I don't see why that role couldn't be played by an Asian-American actress. It's a small but nice nod to racial diversity. |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 12:33 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - mikem 10:09 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| In terms of Gemignani's billing, it's worth pointing out that the 2008 revival did the doubling different than the original, so Gemignani was also playing Dennis in the second act, which made it a larger role than the original Boatman track. I don't know that this track would necessarily still deserve above the title billing - and you're right that Roundabout gives out this perk rather than paying a fair wage - but it's not quite as ridiculous as your accounting suggests in terms of the roles he played. For the most recent revival, the original track was restored, meaning that David Turner has the distinction of playing Franz on Broadway twice but Dennis only once. |
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| re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination | |
| Posted by: mikem 08:29 am EST 02/05/21 | |
| In reply to: re: A shame that Jeremy Shamos was shut out of a SAG nomination - Singapore/Fling 12:33 am EST 02/05/21 | |
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| S/F, thanks for the insight. That version of Sunday in the Park is the first one I ever saw, so I did not know that the doubling was different than usual. I wonder why it was changed. Everyone will have a different reaction to every production, but I left feeling that Gemignani's above-the-title billing was completely bizarre. I guess it's because he may have lines, but he doesn't have songs, and I didn't really see much of a complex character in either act. Michael Cumpsty and Jessica Molaskey also had above-the-title billing, but that didn't seem that strange because they shared a song as Jules and Yvonne early in the show, and they made some impact on me. But Gemignani did not. He just seemed to be an ensemble player with no larger impact than any other ensemble player. | |
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| And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 02:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: SAG Awards: 'Hamilton' scores 1 nomination ... for Daveed Diggs - WaymanWong 11:24 am EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Wayman hit all the nominees with direct connections to theatre, but there are a few more nominations for people who have done high profile work onstage: Amy Adams (“Hillbilly Elegy”) Gillian Anderson, “The Crown” Christina Applegate, “Dead to Me” Cate Blanchett, “Mrs. America” (now that the election and inauguration have safely passed, I wonder if her chances of winning have improved) Glenn Close (“Hillbilly Elegy”) (brilliant performance in a letdown of a film...I'd bet the same problem cost her the Oscar for The Wife) Ethan Hawke, “The Good Lord Bird” Nicole Kidman, “The Undoing” Laura Linney, “Ozark” (the most recent season featured her most exceptional work in an already exceptional run) Frances McDormand (“Nomadland”) (Is she now too old for a film version of Good People? I'd love to see that happen...) Carey Mulligan (“Promising Young Woman”) (I'm very torn as to whether I should vote for Mulligan or Davis, both of whom I thought were extraordinary) Mark Ruffalo, “I Know This Much Is True” Kerry Washington, “Little Fires Everywhere” (puzzled as to how she keeps getting nominations for this performance) Two theatre-related omissions that disappoint me: Noma Dumezweni, who was FANTASTIC in The Undoing, and Uzo Aduba, who won the Emmy for her performance in Mrs. America, but failed to get nominated here. |
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| re: And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees | |
| Posted by: TheOtherOne 03:41 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees - GabbyGerard 02:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I was sorry Delroy Lindo did not get an individual nomination. He is superb in Da 5 Bloods. Granted, he has not been on stage (at least not in NY) since the late 80s, but he was superb there and then as well. | |
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| re: And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees (with an Undoing Spoiler, if such a thing exists) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 02:57 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees - GabbyGerard 02:40 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Noma is the *only* person in that show who deserves a nomination (I am continually baffled by the awards love for Kidman and Grant, who were fine considering what they were given), and indeed, she should have been the star of the show (as in, make the show about her, not these oblivious, banal rich people). Her zinger about hiding the knives was the high point of a very disappointing series. | |
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| Question about that zinger (spoilers) | |
| Posted by: GabbyGerard 04:03 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: re: And a few more theatre "adjacent" nominees (with an Undoing Spoiler, if such a thing exists) - Singapore/Fling 02:57 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| I don't actually remember the line you mentioned. I remember her saying something about Grant having not hidden the sledgehammer. Is that what you meant, or is there something I'm forgetting? (I binged the series rather quickly, so it's very possible I missed something.) I wish the show had leaned more into the issues of privilege that it only occasionally seemed to recognize--and then out of a clear sense of having to do so. But I thought Kidman and especially Grant were great. |
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| re: Question about that zinger (spoilers) | |
| Posted by: Singapore/Fling 04:19 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
| In reply to: Question about that zinger (spoilers) - GabbyGerard 04:03 pm EST 02/04/21 | |
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| Oh, right, it's a sledgehammer, which I'm misremembering as a knife. But yes, it's the scene when Nicole testifies, and Grant realizes that she's betrayed him, and then Halie (who is the best character) snaps at him that he's going down because he couldn't throw away the murder weapon... she just says that line so perfectly, with such a delicate moral balance. In that one moment, she gives us a character richer and more compelling than anything else we've seen. | |
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